Is it bad there??

[~bs]

This article hopefully shouldn't be behind the paywall... https://www.washingtonpost.com/healt...oung-patients/

If this possible correlation with stroke in young, asymptomatic COVID patients proves authentic, that could make all of this much more scary. Basically, asymptomatic folks don't have problems with the respiratory complications, but a small percentage seem to be throwing clots leading to stroke. Hopefully the total evidence doesn't bear that out....

They did random sampling of the population in new york and california and found that it's likely 20-30% of the population has the antibodies and likely were asymptomatic the whole time. IDK... seems like the amount of people that actually get sick might be a very small percentage. A posssible argument could be made for quarantining these locations and releasing the stay at home order for everyone but the "at risk" people. Herd immunity is probably more realistic option in these areas with high recovered cases. Just my uneducated musings.

[disneysteve]

As states begin to gradually reopen, it's critically important to remember that the pandemic isn't over. In 17 states, the number of new cases is still rising, as is the death rate. Here in NJ, we're up to over 128,000 cases and nearly 8,000 deaths. Reopening will increase cases and deaths. There's simply no way around that but we can't stay closed forever.

Now the problem is all of the people who think the rules don't apply to them. We are already seeing many reports of issues with people refusing to wear masks, for example. One security guard was shot and killed by the husband of a customer who was upset that she was told she had to wear a mask to be in the store. I've seen people interviewed on the news saying "I think we all have to decide what's best for us". NO! That's not how science works. Unfortunately, we live in an age where everyone thinks their opinion carries more weight than science and research and facts. It will be interesting to see what happens as more and more things reopen.

[LivingAlmostLarge]

DH said only in the US are people so for their own personal rights. They don't care about the social good. They don't want to listen to government. I hope uber and lyft do institute a mask wearing policy for rides to protect drivers. I mean look at the pushback for costco mask wearing requirement? Seriously? I find it incredible that people want to not wear a mask. They should stop them at the door for costco.

[disneysteve]

DH said only in the US are people so for their own personal rights. They don't care about the social good.

It's incredibly sad how many people are in this whole thing (life in general, not just COVID) only for themselves. They care nothing about anybody else, including their families and friends. And even then, it doesn't make sense because although wearing a mask primarily protects others from you, it does also protect you from others to a lesser extent. There is no justifiable reason to defy the law and not wear a mask. They'd rather die and/or kill others to "protect their rights". But those same people are often the very same ones to be "pro life" and be quick to tell others how they should live their lives.

[james.hendrickson]

We are already seeing many reports of issues with people refusing to wear masks, for example. One security guard was shot and killed by the husband of a customer who was upset that she was told she had to wear a mask to be in the store.

Thats got nothing to do with the masks - thats clearly an individual with some serious issues.

[disneysteve]

Thats got nothing to do with the masks - thats clearly an individual with some serious issues.

Obviously, but it happened because of the mask issue. Apparently, the wife went shopping and the store security guard told her she needed to have a mask. She left and returned later with her husband who shot and killed the guard.

[Petunia 100]

As states begin to gradually reopen, it's critically important to remember that the pandemic isn't over. In 17 states, the number of new cases is still rising, as is the death rate. Here in NJ, we're up to over 128,000 cases and nearly 8,000 deaths. Reopening will increase cases and deaths. There's simply no way around that but we can't stay closed forever.

Now the problem is all of the people who think the rules don't apply to them. We are already seeing many reports of issues with people refusing to wear masks, for example. One security guard was shot and killed by the husband of a customer who was upset that she was told she had to wear a mask to be in the store. I've seen people interviewed on the news saying "I think we all have to decide what's best for us". NO! That's not how science works. Unfortunately, we live in an age where everyone thinks their opinion carries more weight than science and research and facts. It will be interesting to see what happens as more and more things reopen.

Our President says wearing masks isn't for him.

[Petunia 100]

It's incredibly sad how many people are in this whole thing (life in general, not just COVID) only for themselves. They care nothing about anybody else, including their families and friends. And even then, it doesn't make sense because although wearing a mask primarily protects others from you, it does also protect you from others to a lesser extent. There is no justifiable reason to defy the law and not wear a mask. They'd rather die and/or kill others to "protect their rights". But those same people are often the very same ones to be "pro life" and be quick to tell others how they should live their lives.

It isn't the law everywhere.

[Petunia 100]

Obviously, but it happened because of the mask issue. Apparently, the wife went shopping and the store security guard told her she needed to have a mask. She left and returned later with her husband who shot and killed the guard.

Wow. He's been charged, I hope?

[disneysteve]

Our President says wearing masks isn't for him.

Without getting political, at least in his case (and that of Pence) he is supposedly being tested frequently to make sure he isn't carrying the virus. Still, once he resumes public events like rallies, that will be a much bigger issue, especially when visiting states that have mandatory mask laws as many now do.

[disneysteve]

It isn't the law everywhere.

That's true, but even in places where it isn't the law, individual business owners have every right to require customers to wear a mask to enter.

[Petunia 100]

Without getting political, at least in his case (and that of Pence) he is supposedly being tested frequently to make sure he isn't carrying the virus. Still, once he resumes public events like rallies, that will be a much bigger issue, especially when visiting states that have mandatory mask laws as many now do.

Yes, I understand that POTUS is being tested regularly. But he went on TV and said that wearing a mask just isn't for him. Therefore, it isn't surprising that people (especially those who support him) feel it is up to their discretion.

[Petunia 100]

That's true, but even in places where it isn't the law, individual business owners have every right to require customers to wear a mask to enter.

Agreed. And of course, the right to not be shot when asking a customer to wear one.

[disneysteve]

Yes, I understand that POTUS is being tested regularly. But he went on TV and said that wearing a mask just isn't for him. Therefore, it isn't surprising that people (especially those who support him) feel it is up to their discretion.

Definitely. Personally I think it’s a disgrace for the president and vp to not be setting an example and even actively and openly defying the policy.

[Like2Plan]

Wow. He's been charged, I hope?

I have read that the wife went shopping and wasn't admitted into the store (in Flint, Michigan). She went back and told her family about it and she, her spouse and her son went back to the store and it ended with the security person getting shot.