Is it bad there??

[disneysteve]

According to Altucher, what changes that is greatly improved internet infrastructure - bandwidth is something like x10 better now. So you can effectively work from anywhere in the globe - negating the communication advantages of living in an urban area.

I don't doubt that, but it has nothing to do with my point. People don't live in NYC because the WiFi is good.

[mumof2]

where did that come from??

[disneysteve]

where did that come from??

Where isn’t important. Look at WHEN. It was published March 9, at the very beginning of the pandemic, before shutdowns had even started. Looking at it now is meaningless.

[mumof2]

Where isn’t important. Look at WHEN. It was published March 9, at the very beginning of the pandemic, before shutdowns had even started. Looking at it now is meaningless.

i get that but just wondering where the info came from thats all...

[disneysteve]

i get that but just wondering where the info came from thats all...

According to the graphic, CDC, WHO, and Lancet.

[mumof2]

According to the graphic, CDC, WHO, and Lancet.

I looked on a couple of those websites and couldnt find this graph as i wanted to see if it had been updated

[frugal saver]

A couple of days ago the CDC updated a small part of their website--I'm linking it below. They are now saying--and blatant request to disneysteve to tell me if I'm reading it wrong--that only 6% of all the Covid deaths were from people who actually died of Covid. The rest were from people who had 2 to 3 major things wrong with them and their cause of death was one of those things, but Covid was also there, or assumed, but was not what killed them.

This makes perfect sense to me. My step-father had multiple heart issues and finally, congestive heart failure. He caught a cold that he couldn't shake, got worse, and his heart finally gave out. His death certificate said that he died of heart failure, not from the cold. Yet it seems like I was seeing reports of people that were in the last stages of heart failure, or cancer or other things and weren't expected to live and suddenly were being reported as having died of Covid.

It would be nice to see some honest statistics somewhere, but I doubt we will.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm?fbclid=IwAR1zfBq31CfPMtLS08gYYoQPC8sy2ousRmss75YXuY1HYY0g4iKnvN4yXVQ

[disneysteve]

A couple of days ago the CDC updated a small part of their website--I'm linking it below. They are now saying--and blatant request to disneysteve to tell me if I'm reading it wrong--that only 6% of all the Covid deaths were from people who actually died of Covid. The rest were from people who had 2 to 3 major things wrong with them and their cause of death was one of those things, but Covid was also there, or assumed, but was not what killed them.

Sorry, it's another way the conspiracy theorists are twisting data to try to match their "COVID is a hoax" beliefs.

Death certificates are kind of complicated things. Unless you get shot in the head or drown or something totally clear cut like that, it's very difficult to actually assign a single cause of death. And as we all know, folks with higher risk due to underlying conditions are more likely to die from COVID. If someone has a heart attack, that ultimately is the cause of death but it might have been brought on by the COVID illness they dealt with. If someone develops a blood clot in their leg that travels to their lung, primary cause of death is a pulmonary embolism. But what if the reason they got that clot is because of COVID?

If someone has/had COVID and dies, their death is at the very least COVID-related, even if other factors were present.

Nobody actually dies of COVID, just as nobody actually dies of the flu. People die of complications brought on by those infections. Pneumonia, for example. The same goes for something like diabetes. You don't die of diabetes. You die of heart disease or a stroke or sepsis or kidney failure, all of which were brought on by the effects of having diabetes.

So no, it is not true that only 6% of the deaths reported are actually from COVID.

[disneysteve]

Here's one nice explanation of the COVID death rate thing: https://twitter.com/cougfan82/status...7gSCG90GrseF7g

[kork13]

I'm discovering first hand the mess this fall/winter are going to be... A coworker & I (we work in the same little office) woke up this morning with mild, generic cold-like symptoms (congestion/runny nose/sore throat), and we had to decide with our boss what we're doing today. It feels 100% like a cold, but with all the COVID junk, we have to second-guess ourselves. We ended up deciding to hold off coming into work until calling our doc and talking to a nurse. I gratefully got through quickly, but she's still trying to talk to someone, and in the meantime is sitting at home waiting for the phone consult.

Given the weather starting to turn here, seasonal allergies, and so on (basically it looks & feels like a cold).... The nurse recommend I just monitor for 24 hrs to see if/what symptoms change or develop, sanitize/wash hands often & minimize contact with others, and otherwise don't mess with testing/quarantine yet. (Gratefully) But I felt silly calling my doctor literally because I just had a runny nose & sore throat. Feels like a ludicrous waste of medical providers' time.

As we were chatting, the nurse mentioned how close all of the symptoms are to eachother, especially as we roll into cold/flu season, so it's just gonna be a mess. The fact that COVID isn't always symptomatic (or even exhibit the same symptoms in different people) makes it even worse. The medical field is gonna hate this Fall/Winter.... DisneySteve, you & your compatriots have my pity for the uncertainty, overwhelming volume, & flail this is gonna inflict. And for businesses, it's gonna mean lots & lots of people staying home, even if only while waiting to get cleared to go into work.

[disneysteve]

I'm discovering first hand the mess this fall/winter are going to be.

Exactly what I'm saying every day, pushing our admins to come up with a plan to manage it all.

It feels 100% like a cold

So can COVID. Or strep throat. Or a stomach virus. Or a sinus infection.

The nurse recommend I just monitor for 24 hrs to see if/what symptoms change or develop

What probably should have happened is arranging for you to have a COVID test.

As we were chatting, the nurse mentioned how close all of the symptoms are to each other

Which is exactly why we need widespread testing and contact tracing, both of which are pathetically lacking still, 6 months into this.

The medical field is gonna hate this Fall/Winter.... DisneySteve, you & your compatriots have my pity for the uncertainty, overwhelming volume, & flail this is gonna inflict. And for businesses, it's gonna mean lots & lots of people staying home, even if only while waiting to get cleared to go into work.

Thanks.

Another problem that my colleagues are seeing (I haven't encountered it yet) is employers making up their own rules and guidelines. The biggest one is that patients who have tested positive need to have a negative test before returning to work. There are a few problems with that. #1, it is the exact opposite of CDC guidelines. #2, testing supplies are still very limited so most sites will not perform retests and many will not test asymptomatic patients. #3, data is showing that patients may continue to test positive for up to 12 weeks after diagnosis. This means if your job requires a negative test, you could potentially be kept out of work for 3 months even though you're only contagious for the first 10 days.

[Fishindude77]

Headlines in our local newspaper today ... "2nd School Covid Case Inconclusive". Article goes on to say that this "possible" case was discovered and tested for, yet test results are inconclusive and they will be retesting this individual.
Why in the heck is a "possible illness" plastered on the front page of a newspaper other than to keep people unnecessarily stirred up. This is the kind of news reporting we get. It's no wonder people don't trust the media, use the term "fake news" all the time, etc.

We live in a county with less than 10 people per square mile. It's simply not much of an issue here, yet what little local media we have seems to want to keep people scared.
It's no wonder I drink

[disneysteve]

Headlines in our local newspaper today ... "2nd School Covid Case Inconclusive". Article goes on to say that this "possible" case was discovered and tested for, yet test results are inconclusive and they will be retesting this individual.
Why in the heck is a "possible illness" plastered on the front page of a newspaper other than to keep people unnecessarily stirred up. This is the kind of news reporting we get. It's no wonder people don't trust the media, use the term "fake news" all the time, etc.

We live in a county with less than 10 people per square mile. It's simply not much of an issue here, yet what little local media we have seems to want to keep people scared.
It's no wonder I drink

If it's not a major issue there, I would imagine that makes a potential case really big news, so I can understand that being a front page story. Was the potential case already reported before this? If so, and this was just an update, that also makes sense.

[Thrif-t]

@Fishingdude77 we had a story along the same lines as that here. A football player tested positive for covid, yet they weren't doing any contract tracing and going ahead and playing the friday night game. My towns FB page was ridicules. The school said they were following the guidelines of the CDC, the parents were up in arms that no one was being quarantined and the game was being played(school hadn't started yet). As you read through the comments you learned the football player has been injured and not even playing/practicing with the team. I guess "they" couldn't tell us that because it would of invaded his privacy (people could figure out what kid had it). But geez really they had to make that a story, the super had to put out a mass email, it was front page news in the town paper, and the freaking kid hadn't even been around anyone anyway for the past so many weeks. Just stirred up a bunch of drama.

[disneysteve]

As you read through the comments you learned the football player has been injured and not even playing/practicing with the team. I guess "they" couldn't tell us that because it would of invaded his privacy (people could figure out what kid had it).

Yep, that's something that a lot of non-medical folks are learning about with the pandemic: patient privacy. Your job or your kid's school can let you know that there has been a positive COVID case but they can't tell you who it was. Contact tracers can tell you that you may have been exposed, but they still can't tell you exactly who had it.