Is Wake Up Now Club a scam?

[MikeSamps]

It is completely normal to feel skeptical about the program, but it's actually a legitimate opportunity. If it helps, try to look at it sort of like a money chain. You sign up and pay $100 to become a member. By becoming a member you have access to discounts on just about anything you want to buy. If you are one who uses them or wants to try to save some money, it could definitely benefit you a lot! Just using them a few times a week could save you a couple hundred bucks on your daily expenses. You are also able to download this app call Tax bot. You are a small business owner by being a member, and Tax bot allows you to save thousands of dollars a year on your taxes just by claiming gas expensions (traveling to town or to a club just to meet people and talk to them about wakeupnow.) food expensions, etc. You can receive a discount on your cell phone bill, on vacation packages, it basically helps you save a lot of money on things you do or use everyday. Now, if you find 3 people to sign up for the company then you never have to pay the membership fee again. If those 3 people hire 3 people you could make roughly $600 a month. They will pay you $80 per referral. The chain keeps building as you refer more people as does your payments. They give you a debit card you can use that has all your earnings on it so it's not like you have to wait for a check or a certain time of the month to receive it, it is always available to you. So to make it as simple as possible it's like you are signing up to save tons of money, and refer people to make money. (that would be the work part of the deal) I joined it and I'm pretty happy with it so far! The decision is completely up to you, but I hope I helped explain it better. Good luck!

If you have anymore questions feel free to ask me! You don't have to join my team, but I wouldn't say no if you wanted to lol, I just want to make sure no matter what your decision is, you are completely informed first.

Finally!! Someone who isn't defensive or condescending when supporting Wake Up Now...thank you

Just a couple of questions I personally have for you since I also know someone involved:

1.) Is there another benefit to joining besides the aspect of being able to recruit other people? Since you can get the discounts for free online and the Taxbot for only $19.95. What is the reason you use to recruit people and tell them that it's worth the $100 a month. Almost everyone who says it isn't worth it talks about all the free discounts you can get online, so I'm wondering other than being able to recruit, is there another benefit to paying $100 a month? Why pay for something that you can get the exact same for...for free?

2.) Is it true that you only get paid residually (the $600 or whatever amount) if you continue to keep the people you signed up paying the $100 a month. WUN makes it seem that if you get 3 people and then get them to get 3, you won't have to do anything else, but will still make the $600 no matter what. But from what I know personally, those last 3 have to continue to pay the $100 a month or you won't get paid and will then have to pay another $100 a month until you or someone down line of you can find 3 people to CONTINUE to pay $100 a month. And the second one person doesn't, it falls back on you to pay the $100 a month or to find someone else who will. I wish the WUN information that is out there would make it clear that you have to remain 'active' to get paid...

3.) And in addition to the help 3 get 3, don't you also now have to have 7 regular paying customers in order to make any money?

[r1cka1me1da]

I dont get how you lose money if you only pay $100 to join and if you bring in 3 people, you no longer have to pay $100 monthly...i dont think you guys full researched wake up now

[r1cka1me1da]

2.) Is it true that you only get paid residually (the $600 or whatever amount) if you continue to keep the people you signed up paying the $100 a month. WUN makes it seem that if you get 3 people and then get them to get 3, you won't have to do anything else, but will still make the $600 no matter what. But from what I know personally, those last 3 have to continue to pay the $100 a month or you won't get paid and will then have to pay another $100 a month until you or someone down line of you can find 3 people to CONTINUE to pay $100 a month. And the second one person doesn't, it falls back on you to pay the $100 a month or to find someone else who will. I wish the WUN information that is out there would make it clear that you have to remain 'active' to get paid...

this is a good question that even i am wondering...im inches away from joining wake up now

[skware]

Another possible downside

Just joined the website to post this, hilarious thread btw.

I'm a wal-mart assistant manager (i know a soulless drone). Earlier today i had multiple complaints from customers about two cashiers harassing them to join wake up now. Obviously this is a conflict of interest for us and I had to terminate both associates. Doing a little research now to see how badly these young gentleman have ruined their financial lives and quite honestly I wish I could have found a way for them to keep their jobs. How are they going to afford their 100$ dues with no income? So for anyone considering wake up now or any marketing "club" at least consider this: if it costs you your only income how can it possibly benefit you?

[r1cka1me1da]

Just joined the website to post this, hilarious thread btw.

I'm a wal-mart assistant manager (i know a soulless drone). Earlier today i had multiple complaints from customers about two cashiers harassing them to join wake up now. Obviously this is a conflict of interest for us and I had to terminate both associates. Doing a little research now to see how badly these young gentleman have ruined their financial lives and quite honestly I wish I could have found a way for them to keep their jobs. How are they going to afford their 100$ dues with no income? So for anyone considering wake up now or any marketing "club" at least consider this: if it costs you your only income how can it possibly benefit you?

-_- again with this monthly fee bull****, dont you guys read! once you join, if you bring in 3 people, you no longer have to pay $100 monthly

[Wino]

-_- again with this monthly fee bull****, dont you guys read! once you join, if you bring in 3 people, you no longer have to pay $100 monthly

No, it is you who has the reading comprehension problem. Skware stated that two people lost their full time jobs due to WUN, and now have no paycheck at all. In your zeal to get more people for your not-quite-pyramid scheme, you missed his point altogether.

You know that WUN has a limited time before it plays out completely. If every person who joined recruited three people in three months (to get rid of their $100 fee) and if it started with 100 people, then every person in the US would be a member in less than three and a half years. Every man, woman, and child in the US would be a member, not just households. Therefore, the scheme fails in three and a half years when the last 160 million people have joined at a cost of $16 billion dollars, leaving absolutely no one being left to join.

So, the premise of WUN is just a modified Ponzi scheme, but legally within bounds because there is some "product" involved. If you like, I'll post the spreadsheet to show the figures. Also, each member would still have to pay on average, three months of fees before they were "free," so the total amount spent would be in the neighborhood of $119 billion dollars, just for the enrollment fees for three months for everyone, including the $48 billion the last set of enrollees would pay for their three months until they realized there was no one left to recruit.

If you started with just one person, the amount of time is four and a half years, and the dollar figures are almost identical. And if old members continued to recruit (and that's part of the plan, right?), then the amount of time decreases and the dollar aggregate is split between fewer folks. I guess if I were trying to get part of a $100 billion pie, I'd get pretty defensive if someone were to talk bad about the bakery, too.

[MikeSamps]

False!

-_- again with this monthly fee bull****, dont you guys read! once you join, if you bring in 3 people, you no longer have to pay $100 monthly

This is just not true & this is the frustrating part that makes everyone so skeptical and against the WUN advertisements. If you simply bring in three people, the only way for you to "NO LONGER HAVE TO PAY $100 MONTHLY" is if those 3 you bring in CONTINUE TO PAY their $100 monthly ....or if they find 3 people to join & if those 3 people continue to pay $100 monthly. The truth & the bottom line is that the last down-line of people HAVE TO CONTINUE to pay the $100 monthly. If someone only pays the $100 ONE TIME, then that next month you have to pay again or find someone else who will. Only active WUN "employees" won't hve to pay monthly or get a residual, so you must consistently ensure that "someone" downline of you is going to continue to pay...it's that simple. You have to continually non-stop recruit...or have those beneath you continuously non-stop recruit...

[MikeSamps]

It's simple

I dont get how you lose money if you only pay $100 to join and if you bring in 3 people, you no longer have to pay $100 monthly...i dont think you guys full researched wake up now

It's simple. You lose money becasue if those 3 people you bring in don't continue to pay $100 a month....or if they get 3 people and any of those 3 don't continue to pay $100 a month...then you have to either pay $100 again or find someone ELSE who will...hence, if you aren't able to find 3 who will continue to pay $100 a month...or to find 3 downline of you to continue to pay, you have to pay again...and if you aren' getting a residual, you've lost money.. Period.

And to get a residual, you have to not only get 3...but help those 3 get their 3...and somewhere in the downline, those 3 have to CONTINUE to pay monthly...every month...or you get nothing.

[ProjectDebtRelief]

This is quite the conversation. Anything that requires money paid in order for you to BE PAID is a scam imho. It's one thing if you're a startup or entrepreneur, but these programs prey on people who don't know any better. They are definitely not a way to get ahead if wealth is your goal.

[friends]

Don't listen to the naysayers. I'm making a ton of money with WUN. Everyday I get more and more and I only work a bit in my spare time. Anyone who's against it doesn't understand the opportunity or is jealous and they don't want you to make more than them. Nobody here has produced a single reason why this is bad and since the government allows it, it has to be okay or it would be shut down. You have a choice. Join and become rich or don't and stay poor.

[MikeSamps]

Don't listen to the naysayers. I'm making a ton of money with WUN. Every day I get more and more and I only work a bit in my spare time. Anyone who's against it doesn't understand the opportunity or is jealous and they don't want you to make more than them. Nobody here has produced a single reason why this is bad and since the government allows it, it has to be okay or it would be shut down. You have a choice. Join and become rich or don't and stay poor.

Do people sit around and say "Donald Trump is a bad business-man, don't go into business with him" - No. Or do people say "Bill Gates is an idiot, don't believe a thing he says" - No. If something is legitimate and successful, it will have plenty of support. There aren't thousands of scam blogs and discussions on Bank of America, Sallie Mae, Trump Enterprises, etc...because they are officially legit. WUN is not. Just a bunch of people with youtube videos...just use your common sense.

No one is jealous, it's just a warning to those looking for one. If people come looking for opinions, they're going to get them...no reason to name call or talk down to people giving their opinion, especially when they've witnessed multiple people lose money. It just is what it is.

We've produced NUMEROUS reasons that this is bad.
#1, you won't be able to find someone down line of you who will CONTINUE to pay $100 a month..or $24 a month. And that is when you will lose money. It's not getting 12 people to sign up ONE time & that's it. You have to continuously recruit...continuously try & get people to sign up. And after one or two payments, people won't continue to pay, and you will lose your $100 investment or more if you decide to pay again to remain a "member".
#2, WUNs own income disclosure statement states that MOST PEOPLE LOSE money..more than 80% (& only 1% make money). And the 1% has already been met...the original WUN creators. ANY business opportunity or investment in which 80% LOSEY MONEY is a BAD investment. If 80% were to MAKE money, that would be good, but WUNs statement tells you that over 3/4 lose...hello??

Those are two reasons...and based on those..it's a bad idea.

[friends]

That is why WUN is such a great opportunity. You are getting in before it becomes mainstream so you can benefit from all the growth. All your examples are for businesses where you can't make any money because they are all too big. This is a ground floor opportunity to become wealthy. That's what you can't see. Once it becomes hugely successful, it's much harder to make money. Getting in before everyone else is how to make money. That's why the people that own stock before a company goes public are the ones that get rich. Those that come after don't. This is why you can't trust anyone here except those that are part of it. Everybody else wants you to miss out on getting rich.

[MikeSamps]

That is why WUN is such a great opportunity. You are getting in before it becomes mainstream so you can benefit from all the growth. All your examples are for businesses where you can't make any money because they are all too big. This is a ground floor opportunity to become wealthy. That's what you can't see. Once it becomes hugely successful, it's much harder to make money. Getting in before everyone else is how to make money. That's why the people that own stock before a company goes public are the ones that get rich. Those that come after don't. This is why you can't trust anyone here except those that are part of it. Everybody else wants you to miss out on getting rich.

Again...why do we all "want you to miss out on getting rich"?? Why do all WUN people attack with this....or say people are jealous...or 'hating'. We just don't agree it's a good or smart business opportunity. Just like a financial advisor gives you advice on...stocks, let's say. You can either take it....or leave it....but you don't chastise or belittle him or call him jealous just because he's telling you a certain move isn't smart. You take his advice. People come to forums looking for opinions...so that's what they get.

If someone you know is asking you about a product that your family & friends have used and you've seen the negative results...and someone else asks you what you think, you aren't going to throw what you've seen out the window. That's all we do...we take what we see...and give our opinion...and we use a little common sense.

WUN will speak for itself in a few years like all the other MLM opportunities. It's just life. Again, no one downline of you will CONTINUE to pay a monthly fee for WUN products...maybe once or twice...but not continually...so unless you're ready to continually recruit others....always...from now on (& find 12 people who will continue to pay the WUN fees monthly)...you will lose money.

People that own stock early and benefit is a completely different thing from getting in on an MLM opportunity with a horrible reputation. Stocks are completely different. Very seldom do stocks with horrible reputations all of a sudden boom. There may be some with little or no reputation that suddenly blow up...but not ones that are seen already by financial advisors as bad opportunities.

Again, WUNs own income disclosure states it's a HORRIBLE opportunity...not just that it's little return in the beginning but it states that MOST LOSE money...period!

[church ave]

not sure why everyone is trying to bash this.

I dont think alot of people have a grasp on how these things work and why they can be successful for some people. Not everyone will make money in everything. Not everyone will be manager at their job. Not everyone can be an executive. Same with MLM's. I am not even in wake up now but i have a friend who is and just hit F3 today after joining 2 weeks ago. 600 a month for him. His team is constantly plugging people under him and he is doing the same for them for them and they are growing! Why can't people believe that this works.

[hamchan]

Because over 90% of the people involved would be making more mopping the floors at McDonald's.