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    #46
    Originally posted by TexasHusker View Post

    I agree! Cancel me! The tolerant, liberal way!
    You mean like how the GOP just cancelled Liz Cheney?
    Last edited by disneysteve; 05-20-2021, 04:55 PM.
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      #47
      Originally posted by TexasHusker View Post

      are you guys really arguing for this policy?
      Ah, now that's a fair question.

      I don't think unemployment should pay someone more than the job from which they are unemployed. Your benefit should be commensurate with the income it is meant to replace.
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        #48
        Originally posted by disneysteve View Post

        Ah, now that's a fair question.

        I don't think unemployment should pay someone more than the job from which they are unemployed. Your benefit should be commensurate with the income it is meant to replace.
        He pays housekeepers $11.50 to start. That’s $4-ish above minimum. He says he needs $25 an hour to compete with UE. He doesn’t have margin to do that. He said hotel margins are extremely slim these days to begin with.
        Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.

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          #49
          Originally posted by disneysteve View Post

          You mean like how the GOP just cancelled Liz Cheney?
          Exactly! People are so wrapped up in defending their politics that they can’t even think independently. It’s scary. You think these politicians really care about us? They are playing us. Most of them, pub or dem. We are taking what they are feeding us with a spoon and simply regurgitating it as if it’s gospel. We’re being played. THINK.
          Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.

          -George Carlin

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            #50
            Originally posted by TexasHusker View Post

            He pays housekeepers $11.50 to start. That’s $4-ish above minimum. He says he needs $25 an hour to compete with UE. He doesn’t have margin to do that. He said hotel margins are extremely slim these days to begin with.
            So a housekeeper who got laid off from an $11.50/hr job is collecting $25/hr on UE? Someone who was earning $460/wk is collecting $1,000/wk? Do you have a link to anything that documents that?
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              #51
              Originally posted by disneysteve View Post

              So a housekeeper who got laid off from an $11.50/hr job is collecting $25/hr on UE? Someone who was earning $460/wk is collecting $1,000/wk? Do you have a link to anything that documents that?
              I don’t think they are making $25 an hour. He says he feels like it will take $25 an hour to get people to work manual labor. I’ll find out the actual weekly UE in NM. But don’t forgot all those tax credits your getting for being unemployed too !
              Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.

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                #52
                Originally posted by TexasHusker View Post

                Exactly! People are so wrapped up in defending their politics that they can’t even think independently.
                My point is that you suggested that "cancel culture" (whatever that is) is the purview of the left when we just saw a glaring example of it on the national stage from the right.

                Look, we are free to discuss policy here - NOT politics. I don't care if anyone here is liberal or conservative or democrat or republican or independent or socialist.

                What you CAN NOT do is mock and insult and criticize people who don't share your views.
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                  #53
                  Originally posted by TexasHusker View Post

                  I don’t think they are making $25 an hour. He says he feels like it will take $25 an hour to get people to work manual labor.
                  That's a very, very different statement.
                  Steve

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                  * Why should I pay for my daughter's education when she already knows everything?
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                    #54
                    Originally posted by disneysteve View Post

                    My point is that you suggested that "cancel culture" (whatever that is) is the purview of the left when we just saw a glaring example of it on the national stage from the right.

                    Look, we are free to discuss policy here - NOT politics. I don't care if anyone here is liberal or conservative or democrat or republican or independent or socialist.

                    What you CAN NOT do is mock and insult and criticize people who don't share your views.
                    Touché.
                    Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.

                    -George Carlin

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                      #55
                      Originally posted by ua_guy View Post

                      Yes, Texas, because that's what you want me to say to your made-up scenario. I already do this in some form, every paycheck, which goes to funding my employment insurance, and my employer also contributes their part. I also pay taxes, which go to funding other assistance programs, and which also go to repaying money borrowed for the assistance programs deployed during the pandemic. I continue to believe in these programs and agree that they are a good idea, because these programs are designed to help the individuals and families that need them. And it is also there for me, should I need it. There are people who will abuse these programs, but that's not why they exist, and it's not where the vast majority of the benefit goes. Most people want to get back to work and be productive.
                      ua_guy -

                      First, I want to acknowledge that, yes, safety nets can and do work. And, there are plenty of good economic, sociological & moral reasons why someone might not like them.

                      1. First the economy is going to recover, slowly but surely. The need for immediate stimulus in the form of very generous unemployment payments isn't as pressing now as say, last year in April or May.

                      2. Transfer programs are often inefficient and have unintended consequences. They're inefficient because they don't rely on market mechanism to allocate services or payments - instead they rely on centralized bureaucracies. In terms of unintended consequences, there does seem to be some relationship between this and last years stimulus payments and the current high inflation rate. Another unintended consequence is inequality. Much stimulus money seems to have found its way into big tech's pockets.

                      3. Transfer programs reduce choice. Like it or not, everyone has to abide by tax regulations. If you don't pay, you go to jail. Well, what if you have a moral objection to the government's allocation of unemployment funds? Maybe you feel transfer programs disincentivize work and you feel that, from a moral standpoint, its better that people gain self respect through work? Under the current regime, you'd not be able to act on this moral stance. You can't say, make a donation to the religious organization of your choice to provide services to out of work people.

                      Also - the labor market turmoil Texas is talking about is real. We've lost several staff in my business currently as well. Disneysteve is probably right - its not as simple as a couple of unemployment checks, but for sure, the labor market has been disrupted.
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                        #56
                        Originally posted by disneysteve View Post

                        My point is that you suggested that "cancel culture" (whatever that is) is the purview of the left when we just saw a glaring example of it on the national stage from the right.

                        Look, we are free to discuss policy here - NOT politics. I don't care if anyone here is liberal or conservative or democrat or republican or independent or socialist.

                        What you CAN NOT do is mock and insult and criticize people who don't share your views.
                        Actually - yes, this is explicitly against the forum rules. In any event, nobody likes it.
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                          #57
                          So it looks like that UE in NM is 53% of your wage. So if a worker earned $11.50 per hour, after the $300 weekly Biden gift, you’re at $15 an hour based on a 35 hour work week.

                          So what does an employer have to offer to get someone to work who is already earning $15 an hour, plus extra benefits such as tax credits?

                          The hotel owner feels it’s $25 an hour.

                          Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.

                          -George Carlin

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                            #58
                            Originally posted by james.hendrickson View Post

                            Actually - yes, this is explicitly against the forum rules. In any event, nobody likes it.
                            Where did I mock or insult someone?
                            Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.

                            -George Carlin

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                              #59
                              Originally posted by TexasHusker View Post

                              Where did I mock or insult someone?
                              Its a general rule for all forum posters.
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                                #60
                                Originally posted by james.hendrickson View Post

                                ua_guy -

                                First, I want to acknowledge that, yes, safety nets can and do work. And, there are plenty of good economic, sociological & moral reasons why someone might not like them.

                                1. First the economy is going to recover, slowly but surely. The need for immediate stimulus in the form of very generous unemployment payments isn't as pressing now as say, last year in April or May.

                                2. Transfer programs are often inefficient and have unintended consequences. They're inefficient because they don't rely on market mechanism to allocate services or payments - instead they rely on centralized bureaucracies. In terms of unintended consequences, there does seem to be some relationship between this and last years stimulus payments and the current high inflation rate. Another unintended consequence is inequality. Much stimulus money seems to have found its way into big tech's pockets.

                                3. Transfer programs reduce choice. Like it or not, everyone has to abide by tax regulations. If you don't pay, you go to jail. Well, what if you have a moral objection to the government's allocation of unemployment funds? Maybe you feel transfer programs disincentivize work and you feel that, from a moral standpoint, its better that people gain self respect through work? Under the current regime, you'd not be able to act on this moral stance. You can't say, make a donation to the religious organization of your choice to provide services to out of work people.

                                Also - the labor market turmoil Texas is talking about is real. We've lost several staff in my business currently as well. Disneysteve is probably right - its not as simple as a couple of unemployment checks, but for sure, the labor market has been disrupted.
                                I think safety nets are good. I have a problem with taxpayers competing against employers by paying people at or near what they earned. I found out yesterday, that NM hasn’t even been requiring unemployed to seek employment until just this week. That’s insane policy.
                                Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.

                                -George Carlin

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