Vaccination free for-all

[Like2Plan]

Here's an interesting chart by the NY Times. Seems as if the masks and all the lockdowns had made any measurable difference, we would have seen at least a slight difference in red states and blue states. I know personally that New Mexico was locked down tight as a drum. There was as NM girl who was willing to driver over to Texas to play on my daughter's club volleyball team, and the NM officials basically said "if you do, don't come back." Very strict rules about who could come and go, masks, lockdowns, etc. for almost a year. I don't know that it helped any.

I wonder what criteria they are using for red state/blue state? There are several states that I thought were the opposite of what is being depicted on the chart (such as MA and LA--I "thought" MA was blue and LA was red...).

What that does not tell you is when the deaths occurred. For example, the NE states have held the top spot almost from the beginning. I think COVID was in the Northeast community long before we had a name for COVID. They have done some studies where they detected COVID antibodies in blood donations months before we realized it was here.

From the NPR December 1, 2020 article:
"Researchers found coronavirus antibodies in 39 samples from California, Oregon, and Washington as early as Dec. 13 to Dec. 16 [2019]. They also discovered antibodies in 67 samples from Connecticut, Iowa, Massachusetts, Michigan, Rhode Island, and Wisconsin in early January — before widespread outbreaks in those states."
https://www.npr.org/sections/coronav...own-study-says


https://www.redcross.org/about-us/ne...in-the-us.html
https://academic.oup.com/cid/advance...aa1785/6012472

Here is a link the the NYtimes interactive map by state that shows when the COVID deaths occurred for NJ. (you can also look at other states). We lost so very many people from NJ in the earliest part of the pandemic.
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...vid-cases.html

Here is a link for ND:
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...vid-cases.html

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...vid-cases.html

I think the saddest thing is states such as ND and SD which are very low population density that started out with very few cases--and have become in the top 12 (states) of deaths per million. I have no idea how that happened. Kudos to them for leading the way with fast vaccination rates, which I hope continues.

I know this will be studied in the future. And, I hope the worst of this is over.

[TexasHusker]

I wonder what criteria they are using for red state/blue state? There are several states that I thought were the opposite of what is being depicted on the chart (such as MA and LA--I "thought" MA was blue and LA was red...).

What that does not tell you is when the deaths occurred. For example, the NE states have held the top spot almost from the beginning. I think COVID was in the Northeast community long before we had a name for COVID. They have done some studies where they detected COVID antibodies in blood donations months before we realized it was here.

From the NPR December 1, 2020 article:
"Researchers found coronavirus antibodies in 39 samples from California, Oregon, and Washington as early as Dec. 13 to Dec. 16 [2019]. They also discovered antibodies in 67 samples from Connecticut, Iowa, Massachusetts, Michigan, Rhode Island, and Wisconsin in early January — before widespread outbreaks in those states."
https://www.npr.org/sections/coronav...own-study-says


https://www.redcross.org/about-us/ne...in-the-us.html
https://academic.oup.com/cid/advance...aa1785/6012472

Here is a link the the NYtimes interactive map by state that shows when the COVID deaths occurred for NJ. (you can also look at other states). We lost so very many people from NJ in the earliest part of the pandemic.
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...vid-cases.html

Here is a link for ND:
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...vid-cases.html

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...vid-cases.html

I think the saddest thing is states such as ND and SD which are very low population density that started out with very few cases--and have become in the top 12 (states) of deaths per million. I have no idea how that happened. Kudos to them for leading the way with fast vaccination rates, which I hope continues.

I know this will be studied in the future. And, I hope the worst of this is over.

I am assuming red/blue is distinguished by the governorship in each state, but that’s just a guess. I just think it’s revealing that there seems to be zero correlation between deaths per 100,000 and legislated human behavior. To try to connect any dots requires some pretty wild assumptions and speculation.

Regarding Texas, the CDC company line is that cases haven’t risen because Texans “are still behaving” and wearing their masks and staying home. No facts to back that up, just wild speculation. Next door in NM, New Mexicans are assumed to be doing a lot of “misbehaving” by not complying with mandates. And Michigan, they apparently alternate between behaving and misbehaving, just depending on the month and season.

I have noticed that, as evidence mounts that all of these theatrics did zilcho, the CDC is quietly moving on from mounting any sort of rebuttal. “Yesterday’s news, nothing to see here, move along.”

[scfr]

To anyone who sees this thread who is battling or has battled COVID-19, who has lost a loved one to this ruthless virus, or who is praying for a loved one who is battling right now, I want to offer my apologies for the immature, inappropriate attempts at humor on this thread and for any comments that seem insensitive. This is especially for our friends in countries outside of the USA who are experiencing dark times right now. We Americans sometimes forget that the world does not end at our borders. We lost my mother-in-law, who lived in one of those countries that is really struggling right now, on Monday. The virus took a sweet, physically fit, loving, spiritual woman who had at least another decade of life to enjoy with excruciating pain and speed. We are still reeling, and I want you to know that there are some of us who feel your pain. My blessings to you and your loved ones.

[TexasHusker]

To anyone who sees this thread who is battling or has battled COVID-19, who has lost a loved one to this ruthless virus, or who is praying for a loved one who is battling right now, I want to offer my apologies for the immature, inappropriate attempts at humor on this thread and for any comments that seem insensitive. This is especially for our friends in countries outside of the USA who are experiencing dark times right now. We Americans sometimes forget that the world does not end at our borders. We lost my mother-in-law, who lived in one of those countries that is really struggling right now, on Monday. The virus took a sweet, physically fit, loving, spiritual woman who had at least another decade of life to enjoy with excruciating pain and speed. We are still reeling, and I want you to know that there are some of us who feel your pain. My blessings to you and your loved ones.

What a handsome straw man you fashioned.

I don't know that anyone is making humor at this virus, nor its seriousness. Most or all of us know people who have died of COVID, many of them close friends or family members.

[rennigade]

To anyone who sees this thread who is battling or has battled COVID-19, who has lost a loved one to this ruthless virus, or who is praying for a loved one who is battling right now, I want to offer my apologies for the immature, inappropriate attempts at humor on this thread and for any comments that seem insensitive. This is especially for our friends in countries outside of the USA who are experiencing dark times right now. We Americans sometimes forget that the world does not end at our borders. We lost my mother-in-law, who lived in one of those countries that is really struggling right now, on Monday. The virus took a sweet, physically fit, loving, spiritual woman who had at least another decade of life to enjoy with excruciating pain and speed. We are still reeling, and I want you to know that there are some of us who feel your pain. My blessings to you and your loved ones.

Thats a social justice warrior move you just pulled. I hope you get more thumbs up and approval from your peers. You took the high road and should be rewarded as nothing short of hero status.

What sort of humor can you point out that people made on this thread? If you could post some examples that may help. I lost a family member due to cancer during the pandemic. We've all lost people. I know a lot more people who have died of cancer in my family than covid, which was zero. I hope you pray for the victims of cancer too because 600,000 people die of cancer every year in the US, like clockwork...and there aint no stoppin it.

[disneysteve]

This thread was about the availability of COVID vaccines. It's clearly turned into something completely unrelated so I think it has run it's course.