Vaccination free for-all

[TexasHusker]

Well the only comment I have here - is its too bad that there isn't a good commercially available vaccine delivery solution that would let people eat the vaccine in say...candy or a beverage. If you had that, then you could market a product that would help prevent you from getting covid. Like, say original coke with covid 19 protection, or a multivitamin with covid-19 protection, or Doritos chips with covid -19 protection. That would probably sell well, and would address a lot of the public concern about getting vaccinated.

Why don't you just get a syringe, shoot the vaccine in some bourbon, and drink it. Same difference. You'll feel a lot better quicker too.

[james.hendrickson]

Why don't you just get a syringe, shoot the vaccine in some bourbon, and drink it. Same difference. You'll feel a lot better quicker too.

Your stomach acid breaks down the vaccine before it gets absorbed into your body - thats the problem.

[TexasHusker]

Your stomach acid breaks down the vaccine before it gets absorbed into your body - thats the problem.

Yes I doubled up just to be on the safe side.

[kork13]

Well, the two-dose varieties are showing to be 80+ percent effective after one shot, which is in the same realm as one shot from J&J. I can see why people are asking "why" they should get a second shot. I never understood why J&J was granted approval in the U.S. to begin with. It's efficacy was clearly inferior to Moderna and Pfizer. All the J&J shot did was screw this whole thing up, especially after the pause. All of this bully pulpit from the CDC "remember to get your second shot!" after they approved J&J, give me a break.

The other thing to consider with the J&J's 70%-ish efficacy is that's entirely normal for many vaccines. No vaccine is 100%, and many aren't 90%. The bottom-line standard for approval is "safe and effective," which J&J satisfies. The fact that it's less effective than others is fine. It remains a valuable tool, especially for places that can't handle the storage requirements of the mRNA vaccines.

[disneysteve]

The other thing to consider with the J&J's 70%-ish efficacy is that's entirely normal for many vaccines. No vaccine is 100%, and many aren't 90%. The bottom-line standard for approval is "safe and effective," which J&J satisfies. The fact that it's less effective than others is fine. It remains a valuable tool, especially for places that can't handle the storage requirements of the mRNA vaccines.

The J&J shot is really the one that’s going to do the most good and reach the most people. It’s already being given in doctors’ offices all around which the other two can’t do.

For the same reason it should be big in other countries with weaker infrastructure.

[TexasHusker]

The other thing to consider with the J&J's 70%-ish efficacy is that's entirely normal for many vaccines. No vaccine is 100%, and many aren't 90%. The bottom-line standard for approval is "safe and effective," which J&J satisfies. The fact that it's less effective than others is fine. It remains a valuable tool, especially for places that can't handle the storage requirements of the mRNA vaccines.

No doubt about that. But forget trying to convince people to get a second Moderna or Pfizer shot when efficacy after 1 shot is as good or better than J&J. The CDC and FDA kissed that notion goodbye on approval of J&J.

[myrdale]

The pandemic is over my friend. Started petering out in January. But you keep wearing your mask. Might even double up just to be sure.

I believe the media / government has caused a certain level of mental damage to the population.

I have been vaccinated. I have a coworker who wears his mask religiously, and he too has been vaccinated. Last week, I am eating lunch. He walks out of his office to speak with me. He comes up and immediately makes a U-turn and goes back to his office to get his mask, before returns, only to sit at the opposite end of the table 10 feet away from me. When I asked him why he returned for the mask, he stated he was "scare of getting sick". When I asked why he got the vaccine, he didn't understand the question.

Honestly I thought the whole mask to do was farce from the get go. I've tried to take the view that if it makes someone feel better, whats the harm if they want to wear it. But now, when a vaccinated individual is scare to approach someone else who is vaccinated without a mask, there is some level of psychosis going on here.

[TexasHusker]

I believe the media / government has caused a certain level of mental damage to the population.

I have been vaccinated. I have a coworker who wears his mask religiously, and he too has been vaccinated. Last week, I am eating lunch. He walks out of his office to speak with me. He comes up and immediately makes a U-turn and goes back to his office to get his mask, before returns, only to sit at the opposite end of the table 10 feet away from me. When I asked him why he returned for the mask, he stated he was "scare of getting sick". When I asked why he got the vaccine, he didn't understand the question.

Honestly I thought the whole mask to do was farce from the get go. I've tried to take the view that if it makes someone feel better, whats the harm if they want to wear it. But now, when a vaccinated individual is scare to approach someone else who is vaccinated without a mask, there is some level of psychosis going on here.

I saw someone driving down the street in a mask today.

The truth is, there is very little evidence that masks, or any other human behavior, changed the trajectory of this virus, other than the vaccine.

I agree that the media has driven this thing, just like they do police violence and whatever else they are selling. Of course, there is no media without advertising revenue, and without viewership, there is no need for advertising. Sensationalism sells. The media has become TMZ, 24 hours per day. If there is someone that dies from COVID after getting a vaccine, you can bet the news networks will ferret it out and run it for a 24 hour cycle. Then everyone is paranoid they are next. I have gotten to where I don't even watch the national news - it's mostly gas-lighting garbage.

[TexasHusker]

Here's an interesting chart by the NY Times. Seems as if the masks and all the lockdowns had made any measurable difference, we would have seen at least a slight difference in red states and blue states. I know personally that New Mexico was locked down tight as a drum. There was as NM girl who was willing to driver over to Texas to play on my daughter's club volleyball team, and the NM officials basically said "if you do, don't come back." Very strict rules about who could come and go, masks, lockdowns, etc. for almost a year. I don't know that it helped any.

[disneysteve]

I saw someone driving down the street in a mask today.

Early on, I saw that a few times and wondered what they were doing. Then one day I realized I was doing it. I was running a few errands in the neighborhood and it's just easier to leave it on than to keep taking it off and putting it back on every few minutes - post office, deli, CVS, gas station, Wawa - all within the span of 20 or 30 minutes. Wearing a mask is no big deal at all. I wear one 12 hours a day at work so keeping it on for a few minutes when I'm out and about is simple enough. Half the time I don't even remember it's on.

[TexasHusker]

Early on, I saw that a few times and wondered what they were doing. Then one day I realized I was doing it. I was running a few errands in the neighborhood and it's just easier to leave it on than to keep taking it off and putting it back on every few minutes - post office, deli, CVS, gas station, Wawa - all within the span of 20 or 30 minutes. Wearing a mask is no big deal at all. I wear one 12 hours a day at work so keeping it on for a few minutes when I'm out and about is simple enough. Half the time I don't even remember it's on.

I don't mind them at all - at Halloween.

[myrdale]

Early on, I saw that a few times and wondered what they were doing. Then one day I realized I was doing it. I was running a few errands in the neighborhood and it's just easier to leave it on than to keep taking it off and putting it back on every few minutes - post office, deli, CVS, gas station, Wawa - all within the span of 20 or 30 minutes. Wearing a mask is no big deal at all. I wear one 12 hours a day at work so keeping it on for a few minutes when I'm out and about is simple enough. Half the time I don't even remember it's on.

This past weekend I was eating lunch at a local restaurant. I watched a car pull up. The car contained a family consisting of a husband and wife, with two kids and grandpa. They then spent a couple of minutes walking back and forth around the car making sure everyone had their mask on (except grandpa). They all came into the restaurant. The father got in line to order. The wife, kids and grandpa all sat down at a table. A couple of minutes later the father came to the table carrying the plates of food, and everyone took their mask off and ate. Never mind the fact they all got up to get refills, or go to the bathroom at one point or another with out a mask.

That they couldn't walk 30 feet from their car to the table without first making sure everyone (except grandpa) had a mask on for the less than five minutes it took to get food, just blows my mind.

It is a religion. It is pure ritual.

[kork13]

. It is pure ritual.

Where I'm working right now, that's basically what it is. We're in a borrowed facility, in our own little quarter of a large building that has very strict rules for mask wear. As good guests, we put our masks on in the hallways & such, but once we're in our secured facility where it's just us, the masks come off. However, 95% of us are vaccinated, and we run an operations floor where we have to talk frequently on radio headsets, which doesn't really work well with a mask. Still we play the game in public, and among us, we don't bother. So be it. At this point, just waiting for things to peter out to the point of relative normalcy.

[LivingAlmostLarge]

Where I'm working right now, that's basically what it is. We're in a borrowed facility, in our own little quarter of a large building that has very strict rules for mask wear. As good guests, we put our masks on in the hallways & such, but once we're in our secured facility where it's just us, the masks come off. However, 95% of us are vaccinated, and we run an operations floor where we have to talk frequently on radio headsets, which doesn't really work well with a mask. Still we play the game in public, and among us, we don't bother. So be it. At this point, just waiting for things to peter out to the point of relative normalcy.

DH still wears a mask all day with the 7 other guys in his office all 6 feet apart spaced and most have been fully vaccinated. I think 7 out of 8. whatever. We don't go out to eat. Although tonight we did stop and buy ice cream... What a treat. but going out to a restaurant and eating inside. I am unsure. My birthday is coming up and DH wants to go out....

[rennigade]

This past weekend I was eating lunch at a local restaurant. I watched a car pull up. The car contained a family consisting of a husband and wife, with two kids and grandpa. They then spent a couple of minutes walking back and forth around the car making sure everyone had their mask on (except grandpa). They all came into the restaurant. The father got in line to order. The wife, kids and grandpa all sat down at a table. A couple of minutes later the father came to the table carrying the plates of food, and everyone took their mask off and ate. Never mind the fact they all got up to get refills, or go to the bathroom at one point or another with out a mask.

That they couldn't walk 30 feet from their car to the table without first making sure everyone (except grandpa) had a mask on for the less than five minutes it took to get food, just blows my mind.

It is a religion. It is pure ritual.

The amazing thing about restaurants is you cannot get covid when you are seated. You're forced to wear a mask to your table as you walk through the small restaurant with people all around without masks on at their tables. When you sit down, you are allowed to remove your mask and there is an invisible force field that protects you against everyone else in the small restaurant without masks on. You cant make this up. amirite?