i hate iphones...rant

[bjl584]

I have an Android, so I really don't have much experience with Apple devices.

I fall into the texting trap, but really important things I will call people.

I can say that Apple has been one of my better performing stocks in my portfolio though

[james.hendrickson]

I use my phone to call people and talk to them. It works great regardless of device manufacturer.
More people should try it.

This gave me a laugh. Its amazing to me how many people don't want to talk on the phone these days.

[ua_guy]

I use my phone to call people and talk to them. It works great regardless of device manufacturer.
More people should try it.

I understand the sentiment, but it's not appropriate in reaching a wide audience. I call my parents using the phone, good friends, it's what I use to communicate truly emergent information to people I am close to. To reach a wide audience or group, particularly in a business setting, it's less appropriate.

[disneysteve]

I understand the sentiment, but it's not appropriate in reaching a wide audience. I call my parents using the phone, good friends, it's what I use to communicate truly emergent information to people I am close to. To reach a wide audience or group, particularly in a business setting, it's less appropriate.

Even for personal communication, phone calls are often not a great option. I can't always make a phone call at work, but I can send a quick text/email/Facebook message. None of those options depend on the other person also being available to take the call. Sure I can leave a voicemail but then it's really no different than a text. I also regularly communicate with people in other time zones. I have a good friend in Australia who I "talk" to almost every day. There's a narrow window of time when we are both awake and available to talk so Facebook messenger is our main artery.

[Petunia 100]

So I'm pretty sure I don't hate people who have iphones but maybe I do. I definitely hate apple. I also dislike a lot the fact that so many people have iphones and are so clueless about the rest of the world or android. This is a rant in case it wasn't obvious. So on friday I signed up my DKs for a jump rope clinic. Thought it would be fun outdoors with their friends. Fine. $40 each for 5 weeks. I venmo and then I'm signed up. Well since I texted the lady running the studio she obviously had my number. The time was wrong on the flyer so we were late to the 4 pm class which said 4:30. How did I know? Well the other parent i was carpooling with texted me and asked if we had left. i Said no. I never got the "group" text because I don't have an iphone. Yep if you start a thread and no one has an android you default to imessage. Great thank you apple. Go do your proprietary crap.

I gave the teacher a piece of mind when I got there that if you are going to text parents maybe email or text everyone. Exclusion so I need to have an iphone? The answer was oh they forgot to text me because i had to be a separate thread and couldn't add me. I said restart the thread. Oh the inconvenience. I said so the assumption is that you need an iphone to participate? Trust me I think sometimes people forget there are a lot of people who don't want to participate in iphones and apple products. That people who do so for fiscal reasons, flexibility, and just because they don't want it. Two of our friends got their kids android phones but recently they said they were actually thinking of buying iphones for their kids to participate in texting. seriously? They also got their kids non iphones because it was cheaper. Ugh. Anyway I just hate apple and the way they try to make the rest of the world on their charging cables. They can't use usb C cables. It needs to be their cables. And they need to their own ibuds. Sigh. I hate their ecosystem and the way they behave in their apple app store. But this is probably why we don't buy into the ecosystem. Trust me all the time I hear your kids don't have ipads? No why do my kids need tablets that cost more than the one I use for free?

That's unacceptable; I don't blame you for being upset. Your kids are members of the class, too.

[Fishindude77]

This gave me a laugh. Its amazing to me how many people don't want to talk on the phone these days.

Yea, I'm guilty of texting as much as the next person, but anytime something turns into multiple messages or gets personal or lengthy, it's time to make a real phone call and have a conversation.
You can get a whole lot more out of communication when you can hear tone of voice, etc.

Having grown up and going through much of my working career without these devices, I find if funny when people get worked up and riled over a little communications snafu like this.

[LivingAlmostLarge]

I grew up with Apple products, starting from the old grey original Macintosh, then the abortive Power Mac, then berry-colored iMac, then a couple Apple laptops (that admittedly lasted forever...6-7+ years each) after the terrible Dell laptops they gave us in college. I'm now on a Chromebook, though I do still have a desktop Mac Mini that's hung on for over a decade (it's finally approaching end of life though). Over time, I've grown tired of the insular nature of Apple products and the Apple ecosystem, not to mention their massively inflated prices. At this point, I'm 100% in on the Google ecosystem instead (Chromebook, Pixel phone, GMail & Google Drive, Android Auto, etc.), and while it's really little different from Apple's ecosystem, I don't feel so stiflingly trapped.

I hate...loathe...despise... the iPhone. I've hated them from the very beginning, and still do. No flexibility to adjust how it functions -- customization options are minimal, you either operate it exactly as Apple designed it, or you live with it. Apple is (always has been) about simplicity for the user. Which is great, if the user is incompetent and not tech savvy at all. But if you know what you're doing, it feels infuriatingly condescending. A stupid thing that hung around for WAY too long was the ability to only run a single app at once, and iPhone would shut down an app the moment you went back to home screen or another app. Ludicrous. I will grant that the last couple iterations of iPhone have started to be less restrictive, and frankly taking a variety of Android features and occasionally improving some of them. I borrowed a friend's iPhone recently for a minute, and didn't even realize it was an iPhone at first, until I started trying to type a message on it -- does the iPhone still not have swipe text input yet?!? Insane. But yeah, the iMessage debacle is maddening, iCloud's interface and portability sucks, FaceTime is annoying, ...... ugh... I could continue to rant, it's just frustrating.

And yes, iPhone people are often just as annoying as the iPhone itself. No direct offense intended to DS & other iPhone users... But there truly is an assumption that everyone has an iPhone, or that iPhone's features/functions automatically translate flawlessly (truth: it's terrible) to the rest of the technology world. One of the most aggravating bits: persistently getting text messages stating, "XXXXX liked '[entire quoted text message]'" every time somebody 'reacts' to a text message. Why? Because Apple (and in turn everyone else) refuses to cooperate together on building/adopting an interoperable RCS text messaging format. Kills me. Yes, all the major companies are part of the problem, but again, at root it's because Apple refuses to accept using anything designed by another company -- it's either "Use our system, or screw off."

I'll quit... but believe me, I agree with you wholeheartedly.

This whole-heartedly. I am also on the google ecosystem and we use chromebook for the kids (switched to surface because of stupid school), google docs, google classroom/teams, gmail, pixel phones, etc. It's much more across different companies friendly. Sorry but no way no how is apple at all friendly. They basically are trying to screw everyone over and it's a elitist class thing. If you think not then don't you recall SVP Phil Schiller saying so? https://www.cnbc.com/2019/11/13/appl...nh_eUv_SjtAK7g

No offense DS, but economically speaking most people don't buy apple products because they can't afford them for themselves and their kids. Some (very few) people who can afford them choose not to for whatever reason. DH currently has his $3k macbook and his $1500 old macbook for work, and we don't know what to do with it. I am debating using it but I hate macs. We just keep it as a spare. I have a $400 hp laptop I bought last year which works well enough touchscreen that will likely be usable for just as long. And Apple will make the macbook unusable probably sooner than my laptop will need to be changed. Especially since my last laptop was almost a decade old. So it's definitely not worth it let alone for kids who break things?

And I agree 100% with Kork there truly is an assumption that everyone has an iphone for a certain economic class and even location based area of people. A lot of kids don't want to not imessage because they like the "like" features. Truth is that adults are just super lazy and there should never have even been a question as to adding me to the thread. But oh well.

[disneysteve]

No offense DS, but economically speaking most people don't buy apple products because they can't afford them

Oh, I agree 100% with this. Apple products are expensive. We have iPhones. My desktop is an iMac. But my laptop is a Toshiba Satellite because I wasn't sinking MacBook money into that. We have Apple TV in our family room but DD bought that, not us. We have Roku TV in the bedroom because I wasn't spending the extra money for Apple TV there. And I have an Amazon Fire tablet because again, I wasn't about to spend the money for an iPad. I and DW have $30 Bluetooth earbuds we got on Amazon, not $200 AirPods.

Despite having Apple devices, I also use Gmail, Google Docs, and Google Photo, so having an Apple doesn't exclusively tie you to the entire Apple ecosystem. It's all flexible. We mix and match based on our needs and preferences.

[disneysteve]

I just checked the data. As of 4th quarter 2020, Apple phones made up 65% of US market share, so certainly the dominant player. But that still means that 35% have something else. It's a minority but a pretty decent size minority.

[HundredK]

Right on! I hate Apple too. My husband knows that I won't even set foot in an Apple store if he needs me to pick something up (he uses both apple and windows stuff for his work). I liked Apple way back in the day, loved the old ipods. But the truth is, the iPhone is a PITA to use compared to android, and I get sick of everyone defending apple because that's how Steve wanted things to be. The iphone isn't better, they just understand how to do snobby marketing better.. and you know, that obviously works. But I prefer products that actually work without tons of effort on my part, so I banned apple from our checkbook long ago. I would ban it entirely from my house if the hubs didn't need it for his job.

[LivingAlmostLarge]

I just checked the data. As of 4th quarter 2020, Apple phones made up 65% of US market share, so certainly the dominant player. But that still means that 35% have something else. It's a minority but a pretty decent size minority.

That same one shows apple iphones are only 23% of the world wide phones. Again an income thing. US has more disposable income so people can afford the iphones. But rest of the world not so much. Plus they just grabbed it back this last quarter with iphone 12 release. I think it gains market share in US but maybe it depends on what else comes out.