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    We got together with family for Chanukah. One of DW's sisters and her partner are having a lot of financial difficulty. They've never been great with money but have always gotten through, worked, paid the rent, etc. We didn't delve into details but we could both tell that this is different.

    The person she worked for for many years retired leaving her unemployed. She is in her early 60s and has had a lot of medical issues, especially the past year or two, so going out and getting a new job really isn't something she can manage. Her boss was very understanding and flexible with her as she had been there for a long time, but a new employer wouldn't be like that.

    He is also 60-ish and does work full time in a warehouse job he's had for years but I'm sure he doesn't make a ton of money.

    There is a long-term solution in the works that would ease their situation a lot. DW's mother is planning to move from her house into an apartment. She's currently on the waiting list at the complex and hopes to get a place in the spring. She has offered to let them live in her house rent-free once she moves out. She doesn't need the proceeds from selling the house to live. They would just pay utilities and taxes and take care of maintenance stuff. He's pretty handy so could do most basic things himself.

    In the meantime, though, they're struggling to juggle rent and food and medical expenses and everything. Yes, some of this is their own doing and they could make some changes to their lifestyle to lower expenses, but I honestly don't think that stuff would free up enough money to fix things. And they have done some things to help, like getting rid of their cell phone plan and switching to Tracfone just recently, saving themselves about $200/month. They ditched cable and just have internet. So they are working on it and taking good steps to improve their situation. They're also actively looking into what assistance programs they qualify for like the food bank and other stuff.

    They have not asked for help. They don't expect help. But DW and I were talking this morning about whether or not there is some way we could help. We don't want to put them on our payroll in an ongoing way for sure. And we don't want to have money become an issue in our relationship with them, as it so often can.

    The one thing I thought of was to anonymously send them a supermarket gift card from time to time. We're doing very well financially, better than ever. Sending them $50 or $100 per month would have zero effect on our budget.

    What do you all think? Assuming you had that kind of situation, you wanted to help, and you were in a financial position to do so, would you help and, if so, how would you go about it?
    Steve

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  • #2
    I wouldn’t do it anonymously.

    the grocery cards are a good idea.

    hopefully they are open to that.

    otherwise, “what can we do to help you out until you move in with the mother?”

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    • #3
      Can they move in with the mom now?

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Jluke View Post
        I wouldn’t do it anonymously.

        the grocery cards are a good idea.

        hopefully they are open to that.

        otherwise, “what can we do to help you out until you move in with the mother?”
        Why not anonymously? What’s the downside of that?
        Steve

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        • #5
          Originally posted by corn18 View Post
          Can they move in with the mom now?
          No. He would probably murder her if he had to live with her . We can all only tolerate her mother in very small doses.
          Steve

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          • #6
            I've gifted friends and family members in need lump sums of cash on numerous occasions. Had a buddy in a similar situation and gave him $3,000, it really helped him out.
            Charity is one of the better things you can do with your money and in this case it's people you know and care about. I'd send them a check for whatever amount you think will help them out without hurting you.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by disneysteve View Post

              Why not anonymously? What’s the downside of that?
              They’ll figure it out.

              there’s only so many people who would know about their situation and to me you would be the most obvious.

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              • #8
                Given what you've said, I would absolutely be willing to help them, and do so generously. The biggest thing would be to figure out HOW to best help them. I'm very much of the opinion that giving should be "a hand up, not a hand out" ... so figure out what will really help them to be stable & provided for in the long term would be the goal. It would be worthwhile to sit down to coffee/dinner/whatever with them, and bluntly state that you want to help, and ask how you can offer the greatest blessing to them. Sounds like they might resist that approach ("Oh, no, you don't need to do that" or "We can't take your money" or whatever), but if you're insistent that you feel a strong need/desire to help (and that you'll do it with their cooperation or not), they're in the best position to really know how you can help.

                Perhaps some occasional grocery gift cards would meet their needs. Maybe covering an unexpected car repair/medical procedure. Really, I think their biggest issue is income, so maybe you can help her to find a new job -- perhaps something that she could do from home/online, or something flexible that doesn't require specialty training/experience. There's plenty of options, and even at 60, even with some medical issues, getting a job is totally feasible if she's open to any possibility & willing to work. But unless you know for sure that they'd use it wisely, I wouldn't give straight cash/check to anyone struggling financially.

                As for anonymity... There's good & bad both ways. I'd prefer to not be anonymous, and actually sit down & discuss their to really know how best to help, and that way they can tell you if/when they don't need help anymore, or if they need a different kind of assistance, or whatever. I think anonymous giving is better for individuals that aren't willing to accept assistance from family/friends -- they can't refuse gifts from an unknown source.

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                • #9
                  Receiving gift cards from an unknown person would make me nervous. Like is it a scam? Does someone have access to my financial info and know I’m in trouble? How did they get my info!?!?

                  Also, I would be uneasy about getting pity gift cards from someone who wasn’t willing to identify themselves. I would much rather know who it was from so that I could thank them, rather than always wondering.
                  Just my thoughts.

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                  • #10
                    It is tricky when you involve money in any friend or family situation.
                    It seems as if they must have told you a lot since the details like that are not the ones you can surmise off basic conversation. Although when people are facing a major change like that some people do just overshare. I am always amazed how freely some will tell details when they are perhaps under the stress of the situation.

                    My radar goes up because i have heard many a story with a plan down the road and with the group i know the Plan never comes to fruition. It was a round about a way to ask for help. In my case most of the people made zero effort to make plans. It sounds like they could use some help it is hard to know where the best plan is. I have sent anonymous grocery cards before. In In my case the people i was trying to help could not be trusted with cash and they would have never left me alone. I once anonymously paid a heating bill but at that time they had told their story a few times and were not sure who paid.
                    Yes people get curious and may suspect you but in the end, they will be glad to have some sort of relief.

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                    • #11
                      I think the grocery card is a great idea, but you may have to have someone explain it isn't a scam and is from a friend. I think you are very kind hearted to want to help.

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                      • #12
                        First - it's great that you're in a position to consider helping them out. Second - it's good that they haven't asked nor do they seem to have an expectation that you'll offer support. Third - it's positive that they are taking steps to reduce their expenses.

                        I think those three things represent a solid starting point for a conversation - perhaps between siblings - regarding a one-time, no strings attached gift. I'd likely just offer cash. If they don't manage it correctly, that's on them and it reinforces why it's one time only. Other forms of gifts could be perceived or are at a higher risk of being perceived as not trusting them enough to make the right choices with the gift.
                        Last edited by srblanco7; 12-31-2019, 03:38 AM.
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by srblanco7 View Post
                          I think those three things represent a solid starting point for a conversation - perhaps between siblings - regarding a one-time, no strings attached gift. I'd likely just offer cash. If they don't manage it correctly, that's on them and it reinforces why it's one time only. Other forms of gifts could be perceived or are at a higher risk of being perceived as not trusting them enough to make the right choices with the gift.
                          I agree with this^^^

                          But...another thought. If the move is going to be the most help, maybe covering the rent of their current place until they can move into the mother's home would help them the most. It sounds short term, but if it's going to take longer maybe that's not what you want to offer.
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                          • #14
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                            But...another thought. If the move is going to be the most help, maybe covering the rent of their current place until they can move into the mother's home would help them the most. It sounds short term, but if it's going to take longer maybe that's not what you want to offer.
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                            I think Rent is a bit more then what OP was thinking of with food gift cards.
                            If the mom is on a waiting list for a senior type apartment that can be a LONG process. I know a person who has been on the list ( in my area) for 3 years, she just got the call. When her and her DH signed up they were told 3 months ( he has since passed away).

                            Honestly, I think many people need a Mentor to help them adjust to their new reality. Job changes and a health issue can derail ANYONE. I worry that too many people think they can float something until .......some plan in the future.
                            If anything else happens or the length of time changes etc the float ( cc debt/ loans etc) becomes an anchor making the situation that much more dire.

                            Being an honest mentor tends to really hurt some feelings and relationships. Maybe after all is examined they may need to make choices they do not see clearly now.
                            While some people are quick to make some changes like cut cable / cell phones etc the reality this is LONG term changes need addressing as soon as possible. Far too many make small changes that help some but are not either enough or long term fixes.

                            Anonymous works both ways for the giver and the recipient. The giver can help the way they want and the recipient can accept help and never say a word even pretend nothing has happened but they figured out a way.

                            My first experience with they anonymous gift was a co-worker who was in really tough times. Someone (not me) sent a gift card that literally I think saved this woman from a breakdown from the stress. The amount of relief this woman felt was visible and amazing and changed her attitude completely. She no longer was playing her rationalization game and made strong solid choices to get herself out of a revolving situation.

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                            • #15
                              maybe have a conversation with them about what they need or would like...older people don't like to ask for help....and it depends on what you are able to do...say I know you are struggling can we pay your rent for 6 months...or send you gift cards for groceries till you are able to move....know what you can do and offer it...let them know decide...they are taking steps to help themselves so just ask...I would

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