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  • #16
    OK, I think I have figured out a system for budgeting discretionary spending that will keep us both happy. Instead of having separate budget categories we will have a single "pool" for most of these things. We'll start with $1000 a month and see how that goes. This has to cover groceries, clothing, haircuts, stops at the convenience store, taxis, movies, pet stuff, gifts, laundry, etc. The less frequent budget items, like my licensing fees and my daughter's plane tickets, I will still set aside money for each month and keep track of those myself. Instead of recording purchases at the time they happen I will check the CC statement daily to add any new ones. That way he only has to enter something, or let me know to enter it, if he uses a different CC, or cash, which is fairly rare. The downside is we will always be a day or two behind, but it shouldn't be too hard to estimate what we have left to work with.

    I think this will work better for me too, because it allows us to plan our spending more organically. Some months we spend more on certain things and less on others, and using "envelopes" felt a little too rigid to me. We also have stopped having a set budget for medical expenses. It made no sense really, since we kind of just have to pay things as they come up. The idea was to eventually build a surplus, but instead we were constantly behind in that category, and it was stressful. Instead we are just going to put everything extra into savings and use that for medical if we need to. Like everything else, we use the rewards CC for all the copays, deposit the same amount to the HSA, and then write a check to our checking account to pay the bill. That way we do not have to worry about keeping tons of money locked up in the HSA, because it takes a few days for it to become available. I can handle this whole transaction myself easily as well. DH's doctor visit are finally slowing down some too, which should take a little pressure off financially. The wounds on his foot are all closed and they are removing the midline in about a week.

    Something kork13 said really resonated with me. That my anxiety and DH's disengagement were two sides of the same coin. You can't squeeze a coin in the middle and touch the other side. If you push hard enough in the middle of a coin it will just make the other side push out farther. I've been pushing too much. I have made my best effort to stop pushing, and already he is being more cooperative. Things are a bit happier and more relaxed. It takes a lot of trust on my end, but things are starting to get done, and he is starting to once again share things with me. So I am feeling good about it.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by kork13 View Post
      2) Get the necessary written authorization granting you access to his HIPAA information.
      3) Also get a special power of attorney authorizing you to act on his behalf on all matters related to his medical care & treatment.
      Originally posted by hamchan View Post
      Oh, there is no way in hell he is going to relinquish control over any of that stuff to me.
      I simply can't comprehend not giving my spouse medical power of attorney as well as full access to my medical information. I honestly don't know what to tell you. Maybe you guys need to get a new marriage counselor. It doesn't sound like you're making progress where you are.
      Steve

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      • #18
        Why? I don't blame him at all. Sometimes when he receives news that isn't particularly good he needs time to process it before he tells me. He also has an extensive history of mental health treatment. I would not want him having full access to my mental health treatment history either. This isn't the 1950's. Some things should just be private.

        I think I would resent it much more if I had to take care of his responsibilities for him, especially given how much I am having to do already. He has the mental clarity and physical energy to work full time, go to the gym every day, and hang out at the bar with his friends. He surely has the time and ability to fill out some forms and make some phone calls. I'm not his mom.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by hamchan View Post
          Why? I don't blame him at all. Sometimes when he receives news that isn't particularly good he needs time to process it before he tells me. He also has an extensive history of mental health treatment. I would not want him having full access to my mental health treatment history either. This isn't the 1950's. Some things should just be private.

          I think I would resent it much more if I had to take care of his responsibilities for him, especially given how much I am having to do already. He has the mental clarity and physical energy to work full time, go to the gym every day, and hang out at the bar with his friends. He surely has the time and ability to fill out some forms and make some phone calls. I'm not his mom.
          I think you're mixing a few different issues here.

          You are absolutely right that he should be capable of doing his own paperwork. That said, in most couples, there is usually one person who tends to handle that stuff, same as with finances. In our house, it's me. When medical forms or insurance forms need to be filled out, that's my job. My wife is perfectly capable. It's just not something she enjoys and I've got the medical background to zip through them much quicker than she could so why force her to do it. Yes you husband could do it, but at the end of the day, what difference does it make who does it as long as it gets done? In the meantime, you are suffering from the lost income waiting for him to do it.

          As for a medical power of attorney, that's really critical and the time to do it is now when he is not incapacitated. If you wait until something happens, it will be too late.
          Steve

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          * Why should I pay for my daughter's education when she already knows everything?
          * There are no shortcuts to anywhere worth going.

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          • #20
            Because in general people preach openness for marriage. You don't have to share finances but you do need transparency. Same thing with medical stuff. I can't imagine not being able to access everything.

            You aren't his mother but you are his partner. And partners I thought had full transparency and disclosure. That way you know what you are dealing with even if you don't need to deal with it right now.

            I should add I am not my husbands mom but if he were dealing with severe medical issues or I was, we would want that person there hearing the news if they are able to for emotional and moral support. And even now I am involved with any medical issues as is he.

            Kork, awesome list. I want to start a thread on what people need to fill out. I unfortunately am way behind considering i lack even a will.
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            • #21
              Do you known what we spend most of our time talking about in counseling? The fact that he and I have completely opposite ideas about what his course of treatment should be, where there is really no compromise to be had, and the fact that he is legitimately worried that I am trying to take control of his life. I am not saying that some of these things aren't important. I am saying that right now might literally be the worst possible time to make a huge issue out of it. There has been a significant recent breakdown of trust between us. That is what is important to work on right now. He is not even 40 yet. This is some very serious crap for both of us to process. He is not ready to start handing over full control of his life to me, and I totally respect that. If I don't respect that I may never regain his trust.

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              • #22
                How long have you been together? How long have you been married? Why did you get married?
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                • #23
                  We've been together for about four and a half years, and married for one year. We got married because we wanted to be married. I mean... I'm not really sure how else to answer that.

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                  • #24
                    So you've only been married a year and been having growing pains. I asked why married because if you aren't willing to share everything through thick and thin, be transparent why did you get married?

                    I thought marriage was to be supported through sickness and in health, riches and poor? If you have to not want to be involved or know everything why be married? Why is some stuff hidden and too much effort?

                    So maybe i'm old fashioned but I thought marriage is for being honest.
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                    • #25
                      It's not that I do not want to be involved, it's that I do not have time to take care of his responsibilities for him. Maybe you missed where I said that I work seven days a week and am taking care of the vast majority of the household chores right now? I am at my breaking point. I cannot take on anything else, especially since he is capable.

                      Even if I wanted to do his work for him, I can't force him to comply. I would not characterize what we are going through as "growing pains." I would characterize it as a crisis. Especially considering it began less than a year into our marriage.

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                      • #26
                        I think "marriage" means different things to different people.

                        There is no right or wrong, but there is compatible and incompatible. If two people who are married to each other want vastly different things from their marriage, there is going to be a lot of conflict.

                        I don't have any answers for you, Hamchan. However, for what it is worth, I am rooting for you.

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                        • #27
                          Thanks Petunia. We got married because we wanted to be together. It's as simple as that.

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