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    This might just be me in a tin foil hat, but something seems rather odd right now with the IRS. I just got my bonus, and the HR department told us that the IRS is now forcing us to take a 25% flat tax cut on the bonus check. This means my total tax withholding is 38% on a $2500 check(state and federal). That's insane! I lost nearly a grand of the check just in taxes, but only up front. Why? Bonus's are not counted separate at the end of the year, they are lumped into your total earned income on a W2. If I normally don't claim that high, why am I forced to pay it up front? I know it might be a different tax bracket, but the red flag here is that we no longer have a choice of how much to withhold as in previous years. I know my bracket isn't that high, so I don't need to pay that high, however, I have no choice now. I have seen two things lately that is really making me go hmm.

    #1. A majority of federal tax refunds were held back for 1-2 months. A lot of tax refunds of a sizeable amount have tax credits to achieve it, such as earned income and child tax credits. Those are refundable credits, which is why someone making $30k a year with 4 kids still gets back 4 or 5 grand when they didn't pay in anything. Refunds with these credits were held back until the first of march, regardless of how soon you filed.

    #2. Bonuses are being forced to be taxed at 25% federal regardless of your normal filing status, but at the end of the year it doesn't get counted like that, so you get that money back.

    It appears to me the government is running out of money, and they are doing whatever they can to hold back money up front. I could be wrong, but it sure looks that way. I know they claim the tax refund part was to crack down on people falsifying to get more refunds, but shouldn't that have just taken more time in general per household, not a fixed time? I filed the end of January, but my brother didn't file tell the end of February. I got the child tax credit, and he got both earned income and child tax so we had to wait. We got our federal refund the same day in March. It sure didn't take as long to figure out my brothers as it did mine. I don't buy it.

    It seems like the same tactics a person uses to avoid overdrawing. Mark a bill paid in the ledger, but don't actually pay it until the money comes in.
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    The bonus tax withholding is nothing new. They have done it that way for at least several decades.

    Withholding refunds is due to combat identity theft and tax fraud. I will look up an article to show you the numbers, but my viewpoint is the opposite. It's about time they did something to stop the ridiculous bleed. They also required that all W-2s be filed (with IRS) by 1/31. So that they have the data to match before they send you a refund. The deadline used to be 3/1. This was extremely onerous for payroll companies or small tax offices like ours. But the IRS/government has been reluctant to slow down these refunds to lower income Americans. It's just the money is so easy to get that it's most rife for fraud. They are trying to combat the problem with as little disruption as possible.

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    • #3
      The Government Accounting Office has been pointing this out for many years. $5 Billion in fraudulent tax refunds (per 2014 report). That's our tax dollars going to scam artists. Absolutely ridiculous. Glad they are actually attempting to do something about it. Historically, "fast refunds" has always been the bigger priority.

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      • #4
        What threw me off is an email I got from HR. They stated we used to be able to adjust our withholding on the bonuses, but this year a new law change made that impossible. Last year I didn't have this much of the bonus taken away in taxes, and I had the same filing status.

        Like I said, I know the official reply they gave, but it just looked suspicious to me. It would make more sense if everybody had to wait x amount of time(more verification), but all they did was postpone until x date, then everything was normal.

        I agree they needed to crack down on fraudulent filings, but as easy as it is to trigger an audit I am confused at how people have gotten away with lying on taxes for so long.
        Everything happens for a reason. Sometimes that reason is you're stupid and make bad choices.

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        • #5
          after taxes, 401k, etc I only see about 59% of my actual gross bonus....


          ouch!

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          • #6
            Originally posted by GoodSteward View Post

            Like I said, I know the official reply they gave, but it just looked suspicious to me. It would make more sense if everybody had to wait x amount of time(more verification), but all they did was postpone until x date, then everything was normal.
            They postponed until they had W-2 information on hand to match to tax returns. Beyond that, they are being more critical before handing out refunds. Your refund would have been further delayed if it looked suspicious.

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            • #7
              As far as I know, employers have always been required to use either the Percentage Method (the 25%) or the aggregate method, though the aggregate method could easily turn out to be far over 25%.

              No company I've ever worked for has allowed employees to adjust tax withholdings on bonus payments.

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              • #8
                I don't know what the law says, but my bonus has always been taxed at a flat federal (25%) and state (3.5%) rate. In my case, I wish I could change it to withhold more. But it is irritating that someone who receives a $1,000 bonus has the same percentage withheld as someone receiving a $200,000 bonus. Wonder why they do that?

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by GoodSteward View Post
                  What threw me off is an email I got from HR. They stated we used to be able to adjust our withholding on the bonuses, but this year a new law change made that impossible. Last year I didn't have this much of the bonus taken away in taxes, and I had the same filing status.
                  I wonder if that's just an internal policy change. Most likely a new accountant came on and pointed out they were doing things incorrectly. Something like that? A new payroll provider that is not as flexible? I am not aware of any new laws on tax withholding.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by HundredK View Post
                    As far as I know, employers have always been required to use either the Percentage Method (the 25%) or the aggregate method, though the aggregate method could easily turn out to be far over 25%.

                    No company I've ever worked for has allowed employees to adjust tax withholdings on bonus payments.
                    Working with small businesses, we are personally very lax on this. I can see bigger businesses being more "by the book" and not wanting problems.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by corn18 View Post
                      I don't know what the law says, but my bonus has always been taxed at a flat federal (25%) and state (3.5%) rate. In my case, I wish I could change it to withhold more. But it is irritating that someone who receives a $1,000 bonus has the same percentage withheld as someone receiving a $200,000 bonus. Wonder why they do that?
                      Have you asked? It depends on the company, but in many cases they will withhold more if you ask.

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                      • #12
                        I got bonuses of $25-30K each year and it the taxes withheld were according to the standard formula pursuant to my W-4.

                        How/why would the IRS care whether income is bonus, time-and-a-half, PTO, or regular pay? They wouldn't, and they don't. It's all income to them, and taxed at your ordinary income tax rate.

                        I thinks your HR dept is telling you stories.

                        Once upon a time, our company allowed you to "sell" back PTO hours that you didn't need or want to use. One year, they said you could sell it back for 90 percent of the value, due to some obscure IRS regulation somewhere. I found out later that was a lie - they just wanted to save themselves 10 percent on the sold PTO.

                        Companies lie all the time.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by TexasHusker View Post
                          I got bonuses of $25-30K each year and it the taxes withheld were according to the standard formula pursuant to my W-4.

                          How/why would the IRS care whether income is bonus, time-and-a-half, PTO, or regular pay? They wouldn't, and they don't. It's all income to them, and taxed at your ordinary income tax rate.

                          I thinks your HR dept is telling you stories.

                          Once upon a time, our company allowed you to "sell" back PTO hours that you didn't need or want to use. One year, they said you could sell it back for 90 percent of the value, due to some obscure IRS regulation somewhere. I found out later that was a lie - they just wanted to save themselves 10 percent on the sold PTO.

                          Companies lie all the time.
                          I can assure you that I would never lie to my company. Don't appreciate the blanket statement.

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                          • #14
                            DH's bonuses are always taxed at a much higher rate because it is more money than normal. We usually just try to withhold less after it to compensate. Of course it usually balances out for us since we owe.
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by corn18 View Post
                              I can assure you that I would never lie to my company. Don't appreciate the blanket statement.
                              Of course you wouldn't lie to your company. You're honest.

                              The question is, would your company lie to you?

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