Can we talk COVID and how it affected you financially, emotionally, physically, etc?

[ua_guy]

If I can interrupt the argument .... this back-and-forth will clearly go nowhere productive or beneficial to anyone. Perhaps better to call step back & let this topic fade out for now, rather than let it get heated...?

Well Kork, what's your take? I can appreciate the moderation, but I don't think it's heated..yet.

[QuarterMillionMan]

COVID is the biggest concern of our lifetime, please don’t close this thread. I learn a lot from the contributions of the experts in this thread, the doctor, scientist, health care industry worker, etc. And I like the balance from contributions from the other side of the spectrum of not wearing a mask which helps me to see arguments on both sides. But I don’t have much say in the matter so whatever happens, happens.

[QuarterMillionMan]

[QuarterMillionMan]

[rennigade]

If I can interrupt the argument .... this back-and-forth will clearly go nowhere productive or beneficial to anyone. Perhaps better to call step back & let this topic fade out for now, rather than let it get heated...?

This thread will never be closed. Its one of the longest going ones on this site. In case you haven't noticed, conflict is good for numbers. Even though it's supposed to be about finances, it doesn't matter. Admins/mods do very little here to keep order unless it's spam, then it gets cleaned up.

And there will be those who argue this is a financial burden, etc etc, which it is. But no one is discussing financial impact. This thread should have been closed months ago. Users are just posting screenshots of news clips and others are worried about wearing masks and shouting from the roof about it. Nothing should be off limits in the general forums anymore. This thread is proof of that. But, it's human nature to never admit when you were wrong. Do some soul searching and do the right thing, close this cesspool of a thread.

[rennigade]

Since you singled out strangers, I'm curious if your behavior differs when you're with people you know like family, friends, or coworkers, or do you disregard them just the same.

I don't disregard anyone. I mind my business and go about my life in a respectful manner. When I walk through a store I don't try to bump into people. When I drive I don't try to hit others with my vehicle. If someone is behind me walking out a door I usually hold it if I notice them. I don't go around mugging people, shooting people with a gun, stabbing college kids. I never go out of my way to F with people.

The problem is if you don't tow the line and think like everyone else who thinks you should wear a mask everywhere, then you're the same thing as a serial killer. Its ridiculous. Just because you do not wear a mask doesn't make you a scum bag. That's like saying if you go to church you're automatically a good person. Again, BS!

Again, someone please close this thread.

[myrdale]

Since you singled out strangers, I'm curious if your behavior differs when you're with people you know like family, friends, or coworkers, or do you disregard them just the same.

Yes. I may be a staunch Objectivist, but every single person here acts out of self-interest everyday. Acting one way around your family vs how you act around strangers is self-interest. Also the average person cares far more about their own toothache than they do about the atrocities occurring on the opposite side of the planet. On top of that we are a tribal animal. Country, race, college football team, favorite Nascar driver, political party, religion, we will go out of our way for those of the same tribe before we would from those of other tribes. And before you say "I help everyone equally" well good for you, but first hand that other tribe will not, on average, reciprocate your generosity and tolerance.

[myrdale]

COVID is the biggest concern of our lifetime

I think this is a perfect example of how effective propaganda can be. And I should note, QuarterMIllionMan is not alone in this point of view. This is typical of the US public.

The leading HIV vaccine has just failed. 40 million have died so far, but COVID is the biggest concern of our lifetime.

Russia is stalling out in their invasion of Ukraine, without jumping to fear mongering I believe there is a very strong possibility there will be a nuclear detonation, but COVID is the biggest concern of our lifetime.

I really could care less about global warming, I don't believe it and it is outside our powers to force other countries to "do the right thing" when it is economically not in their favor. BUT I do understand Peak Oil. One day we are going to run out of fuel and the world is going to shut down. But COVID is the biggest concern of our lifetime.

World population was 6 Billion in 2000, 7 Billion in 2010, nearly 8 Billion in 2020. Mass starvation is going to be a long term issue. But COVID is the biggest concern of our lifetime.

[ua_guy]

Why does the thread need to be closed when the members who simply don’t like it could choose not to participate? Isn’t this the conclusion we’ve reached at least 3 times, now?

[myrdale]

Why does the thread need to be closed when the members who simply don’t like it could choose not to participate? Isn’t this the conclusion we’ve reached at least 3 times, now?

I agree.

[disneysteve]

I think this is a perfect example of how effective propaganda can be. And I should note, QuarterMIllionMan is not alone in this point of view. This is typical of the US public.

The leading HIV vaccine has just failed. 40 million have died so far, but COVID is the biggest concern of our lifetime.

Russia is stalling out in their invasion of Ukraine, without jumping to fear mongering I believe there is a very strong possibility there will be a nuclear detonation, but COVID is the biggest concern of our lifetime.

I really could care less about global warming, I don't believe it and it is outside our powers to force other countries to "do the right thing" when it is economically not in their favor. BUT I do understand Peak Oil. One day we are going to run out of fuel and the world is going to shut down. But COVID is the biggest concern of our lifetime.

World population was 6 Billion in 2000, 7 Billion in 2010, nearly 8 Billion in 2020. Mass starvation is going to be a long term issue. But COVID is the biggest concern of our lifetime.

myrdale, I think you're right. There are things that are big picture long term issues that are more important than COVID for the future of humanity.

Population growth is a serious problem, but does it affect me right now? Not that I can think of. Am I troubled by the war in Ukraine? Absolutely, but it's something I only hear about if I watch the news, which I do rarely. It has no effect on my day to day life. Will we run out of oil someday? Probably. But that likelihood doesn't affect me at all right now. Global warming is the only one on your list that is already affecting all of us, but mostly in indirect ways that aren't as obvious or disruptive to our daily lives.

The difference with COVID, I think, is how quickly and tremendously it affected every single person personally. Nobody has been spared from the effects of the pandemic. Whether you had COVID, know people who had it, had to cancel travel plans, had to significantly alter your daily routine, lost your job, lost your business, needed to get multiple vaccines, have dealt with labor and product shortages and inflation, or anything else, everybody has been touched in multiple ways by the pandemic. I can't think of anything else in my lifetime that literally affected everybody.

[QuarterMillionMan]

I saw this ad on FB, when did mental health become an underlying issue for developing severe COVID?

[myrdale]

I saw this ad on FB, when did mental health become an underlying issue for developing severe COVID?

"If you have......... could lead to......."
"If you have......... your risk is higher"

Weasel words and lies, damn lies, and statistics. Are people with asthma at a higher risk of complications? Quite possibly. I wonder what their statement for heart conditions and vaccine reactions would be?

And then to the point about mental health, we live in a society that embraces insanity. Who is a better target for a pharmaceutical company's propaganda than those who have a deficit in critical though, reason, or lack a firm grasp on reality.

[disneysteve]

I saw this ad on FB, when did mental health become an underlying issue for developing severe COVID?

Here is a good article addressing this.

https://www.nimh.nih.gov/about/director/messages/2022/covid-19-risks-for-people-with-serious-mental-illness

[james.hendrickson]

I love the NIH. They have the best massive medical research complex just outside of DC. So much great science happens there.