Vaccination free for-all

[ua_guy]

Let me get this straight...so those who had the vaccine develop antibodies to the covid-19 virus. Doesnt this essentially prevent those who have antibodies from becoming sick and dying? My understanding is you can still get covid-19, but your body will fight it off much quicker/easier.

If this is true, then why are those who are vaccinated still so salty against those who choose not get to vaccinated? If you had the vaccine, you're protected. Go live your life. Get outside, get some exercise, take a hike in nature. Why waste your energy on hating people that do things different than you?

I don't care what people do in their own lives so long as it doesn't affect me or others and the assumption that me or anyone else isn't out living life is incorrect. Just like Like2Plan said, unvaccinated people allow the disease to spread easily and they provide hosts so the virus can thrive, mutate, and render the vaccine (and antibodies in those who have already had the disease) ineffective.

[disneysteve]

Let me get this straight...so those who had the vaccine develop antibodies to the covid-19 virus. Doesnt this essentially prevent those who have antibodies from becoming sick and dying? My understanding is you can still get covid-19, but your body will fight it off much quicker/easier.

If this is true, then why are those who are vaccinated still so salty against those who choose not get to vaccinated? If you had the vaccine, you're protected.

No vaccine is 100% effective. The COVID vaccine seems to be quite good with 90-95% protection from Pfizer/Moderna, somewhat less for J&J/AZ. I don't believe there have been any serious cases or deaths in vaccinated folks, so that's promising, but there have been cases of COVID.

Herd immunity requires 70-90% of the population to be vaccinated. That's what we need for this whole mess to actually end. The more people who refuse vaccination, the longer the pandemic drags on. We can't all go back to "normal" until the vast majority of the population is vaccinated.

There are also people who aren't medically able to get the vaccine. For them to be protected, everyone around them needs to be vaccinated. That's part of the point of herd immunity.

[Like2Plan]

Shouldn't the micromorts risk factor be comparing getting the vaccine to getting the disease?

Getting the COVID-19 disease also has some long term side effects for some folks.
Some links
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...m-effects.html
https://www.brighamandwomens.org/cam...ts-of-covid-19
https://blogs.bcm.edu/2021/02/09/wha...s-of-covid-19/

Finally, every time a person contracts the disease there is chance that it will result in a mutation that might make it more virulent for all the folks who get the disease from you...you become a link in the chain.

[rennigade]

Let me get this straight...so those who had the vaccine develop antibodies to the covid-19 virus. Doesnt this essentially prevent those who have antibodies from becoming sick and dying? My understanding is you can still get covid-19, but your body will fight it off much quicker/easier.

If this is true, then why are those who are vaccinated still so salty against those who choose not get to vaccinated? If you had the vaccine, you're protected. Go live your life. Get outside, get some exercise, take a hike in nature. Why waste your energy on hating people that do things different than you?

[disneysteve]

It's funny... a vaccine causes your immune system to do what it's designed to do

Yep. There are two ways to develop antibodies to an infectious agent: get the disease or get the vaccine. I'll take the 2nd option every time. Your immune system knows what to do. As far as your immune system is concerned, it responds pretty much the same way whether you contract COVID or get the COVID vaccine. You most likely will get a much better immune response from the vaccine meaning you'll have a higher level of protection that is longer lasting. And you skip the part where you have to be sick for a couple of weeks or longer.

[ua_guy]

It's funny... a vaccine causes your immune system to do what it's designed to do, without the threat of becoming so sick from the virus that you actually die or spread the disease to others. It's that whole evolution thing where the human brain is still a couple of steps ahead of the few natural predators that we have left, besides the burgeoning lack of intelligence that seems to be plaguing our planet.

I've already had measles, mumps, rubella, tetanus, swine flu, bird flu, diphtheria, pertussis, hepatitis and a couple of other diseases, including covid! - Thanks to vaccines which produced immunity through exposure to inactivated versions of those viruses. I am stronger and healthier because of those vaccines.

I have never been worried that I might die of the flu or of Covid. Yet I take the vaccines anyway.

Second shot this coming Sunday...5 minutes of my time to roll down my window and get jabbed in the arm... I'm protecting myself, others, reducing healthcare expense, potentially saving my PTO at work, and helping put our economy back online.

[rennigade]

Pretty confident mindset. I don't have comorbidities but I'm 55 so my confidence is not as high as your's.

I dont even look at it as a confidence thing. Ive had a lot of colds/viruses before, some made me pretty sick but ive always recovered. My immune system did what its designed to do. Ive seen it work in the past, I have no reason to believe it wont work in the future. Also, when I look at the numbers of everyone who was infected (that we know of,) and those who died from it...then looked at those who died who were obese, or who had other conditions that could have been prevented if people took care of themselves. I no longer had fear of it after that.

My wife is 36 and she's getting her shot this saturday. One of us will have the vaccine, one of us wont. We're diversified.

Ill get the vaccine if its required to start traveling in the future, which wouldnt surprise me. At that point if we have to start showing papers to move around freely, we'll have bigger problems on our hands than covid-19.

Also, I was feeling really run down 3 weeks ago for approx 5 days. Bad sinus thing too, swollen glands in throat and a cough, which the cough is 95% gone. I probably had covid then but never got tested. Never had a fever, not sure if you always get fevers with covid. Wife never got sick.

[QuarterMillionMan]

Pretty confident mindset. I don't have comorbidities but I'm 55 so my confidence is not as high as your's.

[rennigade]

Question for those not getting the COVID vaccine, is there a specific reason for not getting it (ie, causes cancer, damages DNA, damages reproductive system, etc). Or more general such as the unknown short term or long term effects?

For me, im not in fear that my immune system wont be able to fight it off. Im not in any high risk category. I drive a lot for work, I scuba dive, we fly a lot, I work on roofs a couple times a year...covid-19 isnt going to move the needle much on my micromorts.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Micromort

[QuarterMillionMan]

Question for those not getting the COVID vaccine, is there a specific reason for not getting it (ie, causes cancer, damages DNA, damages reproductive system, etc). Or more general such as the unknown short term or long term effects?

[QuarterMillionMan]

I like your idea DS of a combo flu/COVID vaccine annually.

A Loma Linda doctor's advice on vitamin D preventing & treating COVID.
Vitamin D and COVID 19: The Evidence for Prevention and Treatment of Coronavirus (SARS CoV 2) - YouTube

[disneysteve]

We’ve assumed all along that regular booster doses would be needed, just like the flu shot. Currently we don’t yet know how long immunity lasts. We only have 6 or 8 months of data so far.

The ideal would be if they can make a combined flu/COVID vaccine that we just get annually.

[rennigade]

I heard that pfizer is now saying people will need a 3rd shot. They should just convince people to get it quarterly. That way, the serum can always be flowing through your body. Forget about your immune system, just take our potion. Forget about getting healthy, just take our pills, we'll make you better.

[sblatner]

Our 25 year old son was able to walk into San Francisco General on Saturday and get the first dose of the Pfizer vaccine. He was in an out in less than an hour. We now know why. Humboldt County had an extra 1k vaccines last week and offered them up to another county. They had already been moved to a refrigerator so the clock had started ticking and they needed to be used by Sunday. San Francisco County took them. A volunteer pilot flew up to get them, brought them to a nearby airport where two guys, who have been moving vaccines around the city, picked them up and took them where they needed to go. The city/county had been experiencing a shortage of vaccines and these 1k doses represented 10% of their weekly supply. This momma is relieved her son got his first vaccine and is now scheduled for his second! I just hope they have enough to satisfy all the appointments for the second dose (though I suppose if they don't, they will make the second dose a priority over first doses that week).

[disneysteve]

Let's agree to disagree.

Agreed.

Stop the mask debates. Neither side is going to change any minds.