Vaccination free for-all

[kork13]

I'm currently working closely with folks from a few different countries. As they have arrived in, most of them have not been vaccinated because their respective governments have held more strictly to various priorities for administering vaccinations. Note that these are foreign military service members, but apparently that status didn't qualify them for earlier vaccination (not old/infirm). They get here to the U.S., and they're required to isolate for a week & test before they're allowed access to our facility. But without exception, they have all urgently requested to get the vaccine ASAP here. And we're happy to help get them taken care of, because it's only to our benefit because of how closely and frequently we're working together on a daily basis.

I think the tiered rollout has been a disservice to the nations still adhering to it. I can understand prioritizing the very first vaccinations for front-line medical workers, emergency response personnel, military, etc... But once that's mostly taken care of, it should have immediately opened up to everyone in order to maximize vaccinations. The messaging has been awful, and the execution even worse...

[QuarterMillionMan]

Vaccinated people can still catch and transmit COVID to others.

My thinking is that since I'm vaccinated and protected, and if I get COVID and spread it to someone who chooses not to get vaccinated, then that is their problem to deal with since they refuse to get vaccinated. I would rather see the vaccine go to someone in India who wants the vaccine than to try and force feed it down someone's throat who does not want the vaccine.

[disneysteve]

Rennigade, just to add to this, you're raising a fair point. AND, it could also be that obesity is a marker for something else, like heart disease, or lack of physical exercise.

But what does any of that have to do with COVID vaccines, which is the topic of this thread?

[james.hendrickson]

But we know that 3/4 of people that were hospitalized were obese. Why hasn't anyone addressed this? Why won't any doctor touch that subject?

Rennigade, just to add to this, you're raising a fair point. AND, it could also be that obesity is a marker for something else, like heart disease, or lack of physical exercise.

[disneysteve]

I was thinking more along the lines of the leading causes of death and well, even obesity--if there was a vaccine that would cure these diseases--I think most people would take it.

Understood. I think we misread your comments as saying the COVID vaccine was a cure.

[Like2Plan]

I'm not looking up the exact numbers but I think there have been something like 9,200 cases of post-vaccination COVID out of over 105,000,000 fully vaccinated people. That's as damn close to 100% as you're ever going to see.

"Cure" is the wrong word though because that would mean the shot would fix someone who has COVID. The shot PREVENTS the disease; it doesn't cure it.

I was thinking more along the lines of the leading causes of death and well, even obesity--if there was a vaccine that would cure these diseases--I think most people would take it.

[disneysteve]

I wasn't aware that the covid vaccine was a cure. From what I understand you can still get covid even after being vaccinated. Hmmm

I'm not looking up the exact numbers but I think there have been something like 9,200 cases of post-vaccination COVID out of over 105,000,000 fully vaccinated people. That's as damn close to 100% as you're ever going to see.

"Cure" is the wrong word though because that would mean the shot would fix someone who has COVID. The shot PREVENTS the disease; it doesn't cure it.

[disneysteve]

But we know that 3/4 of people that were hospitalized were obese. Why hasn't anyone addressed this? Why won't any doctor touch that subject?

Obesity is addressed every single day by medical providers all across the country. What's your point here? What does that have to do with COVID vaccinations?

[rennigade]

Exactly.

Are other diseases important? Of course they are. But fixing diabetes and heart disease and stroke isn't as simple as fixing COVID. Using that argument as justification for not getting the COVID vaccine is inane.

But we know that 3/4 of people that were hospitalized were obese. Why hasn't anyone addressed this? Why won't any doctor touch that subject?

[rennigade]

(Seems logical to me anyway that if someone came up with a cure for a disease and all you had to do was take a vaccine, it would be a no brainer.... )

I wasn't aware that the covid vaccine was a cure. From what I understand you can still get covid even after being vaccinated. Hmmm

[james.hendrickson]

Exactly.

Are other diseases important? Of course they are. But fixing diabetes and heart disease and stroke isn't as simple as fixing COVID. Using that argument as justification for not getting the COVID vaccine is inane.

Vaccines work - they're a total "no brainer".

[disneysteve]

Seems logical to me anyway that if someone came up with a cure for a disease and all you had to do was take a vaccine, it would be a no brainer....

Exactly.

Are other diseases important? Of course they are. But fixing diabetes and heart disease and stroke isn't as simple as fixing COVID. Using that argument as justification for not getting the COVID vaccine is inane.

[Like2Plan]

And I have yet to hear any mention of people getting healthier by eating better and exercising. You're an MD...why do you think that no one will touch this subject with a 10' pole...the importance of being healthy. Are people now that offended by fat shaming? Almost 3 million people die each year from obesity, something that for the majority of those folks could be completely prevented by choosing what they eat.

My wife was able to get her show around 2 weeks ago. She was sick in the stomach for around a week. Her mom was also sick about a month prior to that, for approx one week. They're both on the up and up now. It was the pfizer one. She did say how organized it was at the hospital she went to.

The Leading Causes of Death in the US for 2020

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2778234

"The Table also presents leading causes of death in the US for the years 2015 to 2020.⁴ According to provisional data, in 2020, there were notable changes in the number and ranking of deaths compared with 2019.⁵ COVID-19 was the third leading cause of death in 2020, with an estimated 345 323 deaths, and was largely responsible for the substantial increase in total deaths from 2019 to 2020."

"Trends in mortality for leading causes of death are important indicators of shifting patterns in mortality. During the COVID-19 pandemic, changes in leading causes provide insight into the direct and indirect effects of the pandemic on mortality burden. Most of the increase in deaths from 2019 to 2020 was directly attributed to COVID-19. However, increases were also noted for several other leading causes of death. These increases may indicate, to some extent, underreporting of COVID-19, ie, limited testing in the beginning of the pandemic may have resulted in underestimation of COVID-19 mortality.⁶ Increases in other leading causes, especially heart disease, Alzheimer disease, and diabetes, may also reflect disruptions in health care that hampered early detection and disease management."


(Seems logical to me anyway that if someone came up with a cure for a disease and all you had to do was take a vaccine, it would be a no brainer.... )

[QuarterMillionMan]

In the link I provided upthread--they said that the deal was retroactive for folks who qualified who already got their shots:

"The initiative will apply retroactively to people in this age group who have already gotten their shots. It is funded with money from the CARES Act, with Justice adding that officials have "vetted this in every way that we possibly can."

L2P, such a good deal. I wish like James suggested it was nationwide.

[james.hendrickson]

Ha-ha good one James. I already got my 2 shots but I would get another round for this good deal.

Ha ha, thanks QMM, good find!!!!