Vaccination free for-all

[TexasHusker]

If everybody gets a shot, nobody has to "act unvaccinated". That's the whole point.

Anyone who has a vaccine should be able to act vaccinated. That should be the point.

[disneysteve]

To the average 20 or 30 something, why would I screw with getting shots if I have to act unvaccinated?

If everybody gets a shot, nobody has to "act unvaccinated". That's the whole point.

[disneysteve]

I just don't subscribe to the "they" and "government" blame.

Me neither. I think collectively the US has done an absolutely phenomenal job of getting shots in arms. Nearly 250 million doses have already been given in about 5 months, and still there are people who insist on criticizing and saying it should have been different somehow. I have friends in other several other countries and the vaccination efforts there are light years behind ours.

We're talking about thousands of organizations at the municipal, county, state, and federal level that are coordinating a response. One hundred million shots in arms turned out to be an under-promise and very welcome over-delivery. These organizations are doing a great job, and volunteers are showing true patriotism to help make this happen. It wouldn't have happened without them.

Well said.

[TexasHusker]

The biggest hurdle now in increasing the vaccination rate is fear, not access.

Actually that’s media spin.

The biggest hurdle is apathy. To the average 20 or 30 something, why would I screw with getting shots if I have to act unvaccinated? For the low-risk age group, there is no incentive to get shots. I have 47 employees, and most fall in to this category.

Now the gubmit is floating paying people to get vaccinated. Why not just let them act vaccinated? That would gain some traction.

[ua_guy]

Yep. We have walk-in mass vaccination sites, you can walk into a pharmacy, walk up, drive through. All along, you've been able to call to find the closest site, or to book an appointment, a lot of times an appointment isn't even needed, and almost not at all now. There are outreach programs. Vaccine supply has been outpaced by demand for a long time until recently. The biggest hurdle now in increasing the vaccination rate is fear, not access.

I just don't subscribe to the "they" and "government" blame. We're talking about thousands of organizations at the municipal, county, state, and federal level that are coordinating a response. One hundred million shots in arms turned out to be an under-promise and very welcome over-delivery. These organizations are doing a great job, and volunteers are showing true patriotism to help make this happen. It wouldn't have happened without them.

[TexasHusker]

This...I hate my city and state for it. They keep having appointments and the mega sites are outside the city. I thought it ridiculous they were giving lip service to equity but instead the only equity was people able to access the internet. I didn't understand why they didn't just set up mobile clinics in the city and just mass vaccinate all the people who didn't have reliable transportation or homeless. But when you put it that way people don't want to admit the way it was done was stupid, even though it was really stupid.

...because they are smarter and know better than you.

[LivingAlmostLarge]

In their typical elitist ways, the gubmit kind of set us up for the whole under-vaccinated situation. Rather than making the vaccine convenient to all from the very beginning, various state gubmits (particularly but not exclusively liberal state gubmits) decided to set up a complicated system of online appointments, registrations, etc. This directly disadvantaged the elderly and working poor, as a big chunk of these folks neither have the equipment nor wherewithal to punch around on a desk top machine and then take two hours out of their day to travel somewhere for their appointment to get a shot.

Think about the guy working for a landscape company named Joe. He goes to his boss and says "Hey, can I take off the job for a while and go up to the UPS store so I can use their computer so I can make an appointment so I can go and get a shot?" I mean come on, that is typical aristocrat nonsense.

Many smaller communities did this the right way - they set up walk-in shot clinics at the local school or library and it was first-come, first serve. Flowed smooth as water from a fountain. Then you had the big, ultra-liberal cities with vaccination rates that are a train wreck because they tried to get cute and overcomplicate everything.

In any promotion or campaign, there is an initial surge of heightened interest, and that's when you have to make hay. At the beginning, interest in getting a vaccine was very high, and that would have been when we have things "more convenient" for people. Pissing around for 3 months with a bunch of bureaucracy, and then deciding now that it is a bright idea to make the shots more convenient, it's a little late.

But many of the current ruling class have never managed, much less owned, any sort of business, so one could hardly expect them to do anything but make a mess of this, or anything else for that matter.

This...I hate my city and state for it. They keep having appointments and the mega sites are outside the city. I thought it ridiculous they were giving lip service to equity but instead the only equity was people able to access the internet. I didn't understand why they didn't just set up mobile clinics in the city and just mass vaccinate all the people who didn't have reliable transportation or homeless. But when you put it that way people don't want to admit the way it was done was stupid, even though it was really stupid.

[disneysteve]

MLK hospital in Los Angeles where I got both of my Pfizer shots now takes walk-ins

All of the mega sites in NJ require no appointments. It's all walk in now. Once they got through the restricted high risk tiers, there was no longer any reason to have appointments.

[QuarterMillionMan]

MLK hospital in Los Angeles where I got both of my Pfizer shots now takes walk-ins which is good and makes it easier. When I got my shots in March it was exclusively by appointments only, no walk-ins.

[TexasHusker]

Maybe but give it to costco or walmart and say to go in get a shot to help us protect our employees. Then people who want to go get a shot.

In their typical elitist ways, the gubmit kind of set us up for the whole under-vaccinated situation. Rather than making the vaccine convenient to all from the very beginning, various state gubmits (particularly but not exclusively liberal state gubmits) decided to set up a complicated system of online appointments, registrations, etc. This directly disadvantaged the elderly and working poor, as a big chunk of these folks neither have the equipment nor wherewithal to punch around on a desk top machine and then take two hours out of their day to travel somewhere for their appointment to get a shot.

Think about the guy working for a landscape company named Joe. He goes to his boss and says "Hey, can I take off the job for a while and go up to the UPS store so I can use their computer so I can make an appointment so I can go and get a shot?" I mean come on, that is typical aristocrat nonsense.

Many smaller communities did this the right way - they set up walk-in shot clinics at the local school or library and it was first-come, first serve. Flowed smooth as water from a fountain. Then you had the big, ultra-liberal cities with vaccination rates that are a train wreck because they tried to get cute and overcomplicate everything.

In any promotion or campaign, there is an initial surge of heightened interest, and that's when you have to make hay. At the beginning, interest in getting a vaccine was very high, and that would have been when we have things "more convenient" for people. Pissing around for 3 months with a bunch of bureaucracy, and then deciding now that it is a bright idea to make the shots more convenient, it's a little late.

But many of the current ruling class have never managed, much less owned, any sort of business, so one could hardly expect them to do anything but make a mess of this, or anything else for that matter.

[LivingAlmostLarge]

the uber-rich unemployment benefits supposedly run out in September, though they've been extended several times. I have four franchise locations, and stimulus checks and unemployment are my biggest competitors. I can't find employees, even with signing bonuses and all sorts of other goodies. It's weird, I'm trying to run a bona fide business and employ people, when the government is borrowing $ trillions to pay people to not work. This is all so bizarre, you could write a fiction novel about it, but no one would buy it because it would be too far-fetched to be believable. The Fed is burying this country currently.

Maybe but give it to costco or walmart and say to go in get a shot to help us protect our employees. Then people who want to go get a shot.

[disneysteve]

We got an email today from work that a bunch of the primary care practices in our system now have the J&J shot available in the office. You don't have to be a patient of that practice to go there for a vaccine as long as you're a patient of the system overall.

I think this will help a lot too. Anything that makes it more convenient and captures more people is a good thing. And folks who do go to those practices can be offered the shot when they come in for other reasons, just like how we give the flu shot each year.

[ua_guy]

I'm in agreement. Currently it seems like the vaccination process has slowed and something different needs to be done.

Around here, they're setting up clinics at the big sporting events. Watch the game, get a vaccine. That will hopefully catch some of the younger people.

Shots for shots isn't a bad way to go either. Breweries/pubs are offering a free beer or shot of alcohol if you get the vaccine.

Or, how about tying a tax rebate to it (pay a penalty on 2021 taxes if unvaccinated). That might get people's attention.

[TexasHusker]

I'm going to say I can't disagree actually that tying it to stimulus or unemployment checks is perfect. I'd support that.

the uber-rich unemployment benefits supposedly run out in September, though they've been extended several times. I have four franchise locations, and stimulus checks and unemployment are my biggest competitors. I can't find employees, even with signing bonuses and all sorts of other goodies. It's weird, I'm trying to run a bona fide business and employ people, when the government is borrowing $ trillions to pay people to not work. This is all so bizarre, you could write a fiction novel about it, but no one would buy it because it would be too far-fetched to be believable. The Fed is burying this country currently.

[LivingAlmostLarge]

How about no more $1500 stimulus checks or rich unemployment benefits until you get a vaccine?

I'm going to say I can't disagree actually that tying it to stimulus or unemployment checks is perfect. I'd support that.