Gun Control

[bjl584]

Simple modification to the rifle can easily make it full auto..or just buy one of those recoil auto fire stocks. Not that it matters since an AR-15 is more deadly in semi-auto fire control mode than spray and prey mode.

The modification is illegal. Readily available and not hard to do, but it is illegal. Or, you can just "bump fire" the weapon.

But, yes, if you are a marksman, then you would prefer one shot per trigger pull. Much more accuracy if you are trying to take out multiple targets.

[Weird Tolkienish Figure]

Are you guys for or against gun control? And are you for or against places of no guns like schools? Trump has mentioned lifting the ban on guns in schools? Should we? Should all states allow open carry? Or is that going too far?

I'm in the middle on the issue. We do need safeguards against the wrong people buying guns and we do need to own gun owners accountable if their guns are stolen and used in a crime. But I do believe that if you are a law abiding system you have a right to own a gun.

[msomnipotent]

I'm in the middle on the issue. We do need safeguards against the wrong people buying guns and we do need to own gun owners accountable if their guns are stolen and used in a crime. But I do believe that if you are a law abiding system you have a right to own a gun.

This literally makes no sense.

I have all of my guns unloaded, locked in a safe in an area of my house that is not normally used with the key in a completely different floor locked in a different safe. I really do not know if you mean I should be held accountable if some idiot breaks into my house, finds my safe, breaks into my safe, finds my gun, shots someone months after I report the incident, and I should somehow be held accountable because someone decided that they were going to shoot someone at that particular moment because they had a gun I had locked up and had been a victim of a crime myself?

Or are you trying to say that law abiding gun owners should NOT be held accountable because they have a right to own a gun?

[StormRichards]

This literally makes no sense.

I have all of my guns unloaded, locked in a safe in an area of my house that is not normally used with the key in a completely different floor locked in a different safe. I really do not know if you mean I should be held accountable if some idiot breaks into my house, finds my safe, breaks into my safe, finds my gun, shots someone months after I report the incident, and I should somehow be held accountable because someone decided that they were going to shoot someone at that particular moment because they had a gun I had locked up and had been a victim of a crime myself?

Or are you trying to say that law abiding gun owners should NOT be held accountable because they have a right to own a gun?

I made the assumption that he/she means gun owners that do not report stolen guns.

[Eagle]

Are you guys for or against gun control? And are you for or against places of no guns like schools? Trump has mentioned lifting the ban on guns in schools? Should we? Should all states allow open carry? Or is that going too far?

Like others I'm for states choice on the matter. However, I do think it's a right of every American citizen to have a gun if he or she wishes to.

I will say that it's not the guns that are the issues. It's the people using them that really are the problem. I also agree that those who want to do some bad deed really don't need to have a gun to carry out such terrible tragedies.

Banning automatic weapons won't truly deter those who want to do harm.

[Weird Tolkienish Figure]

This literally makes no sense.

I have all of my guns unloaded, locked in a safe in an area of my house that is not normally used with the key in a completely different floor locked in a different safe. I really do not know if you mean I should be held accountable if some idiot breaks into my house, finds my safe, breaks into my safe, finds my gun, shots someone months after I report the incident, and I should somehow be held accountable because someone decided that they were going to shoot someone at that particular moment because they had a gun I had locked up and had been a victim of a crime myself?

Or are you trying to say that law abiding gun owners should NOT be held accountable because they have a right to own a gun?

You have your guns safely stored and locked away but not everyone does. If they don't, they should be held liable IMO.

[LivingAlmostLarge]

There are quite a few people who have guns not locked down. I was a bit surprised by the commentary friends who hunt make about others. Some are pretty careful and others no so much.

[bjl584]

There are quite a few people who have guns not locked down. I was a bit surprised by the commentary friends who hunt make about others. Some are pretty careful and others no so much.

I think it should be treated like any other form of negligence.

If someone lets their killer attack pit bull run loose through the neighborhood and it bites someone, then they are held liable.

If someone leaves their guns out in plain site, loaded, and not locked in a proper cabinet, and someone uses one to commit a crime, then the owner should be liable at least on some level. If they are properly locked up and stored, then they should be absolved. It's not black and white unfortunately. It would have to be case by case and require some common sense.

[james.hendrickson]

I think it should be treated like any other form of negligence.

If someone lets their killer attack pit bull run loose through the neighborhood and it bites someone, then they are held liable.

If someone leaves their guns out in plain site, loaded, and not locked in a proper cabinet, and someone uses one to commit a crime, then the owner should be liable at least on some level. If they are properly locked up and stored, then they should be absolved. It's not black and white unfortunately. It would have to be case by case and require some common sense.

Exactly - its a liability issue and it should be on the owners, not on manufacturers.

[Fishindude77]

A killer pit bull running loose and a firearm leaned in the corner of the room are two entirely different scenarios. The dog is mobile, the gun requires an operator. I'll bet 50% or more rural homes have a firearm stashed within reach somewhere not locked up in a safe with ammo nearby or possibly loaded.

[bjl584]

A killer pit bull running loose and a firearm leaned in the corner of the room are two entirely different scenarios. The dog is mobile, the gun requires an operator. I'll bet 50% or more rural homes have a firearm stashed within reach somewhere not locked up in a safe with ammo nearby or possibly loaded.

It's not about the object. It's about the owner of said object being responsible or irresponsible with it. If you put your dog on a lease or behind a fence, then you have taken every reasonable step to ensure that your dog won't do harm to other people or to property. If someone climbs the fence and pokes the dog with a stick and gets bit, then the owner shouldn't be liable. If you unload your gun and lock it in a safe with a trigger lock, and someone manages to break into your home, crack the safe, remove the trigger lock, then steal your gun and use it in a murder, then the owner shouldn't be held liable. They took all necessary and reasonable steps to ensure that the gun was properly stored and couldn't fall into the wrong hands and cause harm. However, if that same person left their gun loaded and leaning against a wall in the living room in front of the picture window, and someone takes it and commits a crime, well that is a different story. They should be held liable. Same as the dog owner who leased and fenced his dog versus the one who let their dog run loose on the streets.

[james.hendrickson]

It's not about the object. It's about the owner of said object being responsible or irresponsible with it. If you put your dog on a lease or behind a fence, then you have taken every reasonable step to ensure that your dog won't do harm to other people or to property. If someone climbs the fence and pokes the dog with a stick and gets bit, then the owner shouldn't be liable. If you unload your gun and lock it in a safe with a trigger lock, and someone manages to break into your home, crack the safe, remove the trigger lock, then steal your gun and use it in a murder, then the owner shouldn't be held liable. They took all necessary and reasonable steps to ensure that the gun was properly stored and couldn't fall into the wrong hands and cause harm. However, if that same person left their gun loaded and leaning against a wall in the living room in front of the picture window, and someone takes it and commits a crime, well that is a different story. They should be held liable. Same as the dog owner who leased and fenced his dog versus the one who let their dog run loose on the streets.

Exactly. Not everyone understands this point.

[Fishindude77]

Responsible adults living in home keep a loaded rifle propped up in the corner of their home for varmint control etc. While they are gone someone enters their home takes gun and kills or robs with it you are saying they should be held liable? This goes back to the same old thing, a criminal took that gun when he entered their house illegally. Criminals don't give a darn about laws so adding a law to make the home owner liable is just more of the same BS making life more difficult for law abiding citizens. Enforce laws already on the books and take a tougher stance against criminals.

[rennigade]

However, if that same person left their gun loaded and leaning against a wall in the living room in front of the picture window, and someone takes it and commits a crime, well that is a different story. They should be held liable. Same as the dog owner who leased and fenced his dog versus the one who let their dog run loose on the streets.

So what you're saying is its your fault if someone breaks into your house or someone you know who you let in your house takes your gun and uses it to commit a crime? So its your fault that they committed a crime by either breaking in or stealing your gun...then committing another crime? Interesting.

And the dog scenario makes no sense. One the dog is on your property and the other the dog is not on your property.