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    This post is because I want to maximize my chances of retiring by the age of 45 (sooner if possible). I feel like my current plan is on that path but I am all about ways to improve.

    So will try to make this short and right to the numbers to create the least amount of confusion. If you have questions I will try to answer them below.

    I am current 37 years old. I am retired from the USMC. I retired after 17 years as a Gunny due to the Temp Early retirement act when they downsized in 2013. I am also at 70% disability via the VA. (go go 5 deployments). Here is what that provides me a month for the rest of my life.

    Retirement pay is $1512 a month.
    VA is $1542 a month. (basically 3050 combined a month).
    Tri-care medical insurance for the rest of my life for me and my spouse (and child till 26 if enrolled in college). Medical insurance is only $500 a year for the entire family. It gets taken out of my pension.

    I am currently on year 4 of my second career. I am a police officer and make around 90 grand a year before taxes. What I actually get paid is realistically around 5000$ a month. I also work a good amount of overtime and make an extra $15000 a year. (It's usually more but ill do worst case).

    So take home 60,000 + 15000 = 75000 a year.
    Va and Military Pension = 36600
    Total = 121,600 a year.

    I own a home.
    Mortgage = 2781 a month (taxes/insurance included). I am paying an extra $1000 on top of that. $3800 a Month.

    Now for the state I am with the Police I become "vested" in the state retirement plan after 5 years. I plan to quit at my 10-12 year mark. So that means I will get 20% of my HIGH FIVE YEARS salary (which they include department overtime) once I hit the age of 53. So from 45-53 I will NOT be getting this money. When I turn 53 I will get around $1600 a month (gains 3 % for each year after 53. I spoke with the state police retirement rep and we did a realistic estimate to come up with that number.

    So I will have coming in each year when I retire the following:
    $36660 = Military and VA
    $19200 = Police retirement after 53
    Total = 55860
    27 years of working.

    So additional factors. I bought my house for 475k. Its currently worth around 580-620k Market. I owe around 350k left on it. I plan to have it down to 100k or less by 45.

    I get around 4k in taxes back each year. I put that all on the house.

    I have a military TSP account with around 27k in it that is in a lifecycle fund. I cannot contribute to it anymore.

    I have deferred Comp through the police. I have around 30k in there. They match up to 3000 a year. I usually put in around 4k a year to cover matching. This account should be well past 100k by 45.

    My wife and I both have Roth IRA's. Mine has around 15k in it and hers around 10k. We put in 1-2k each year in each account. Mainly like the funds in the Deferred Comp better but I like the diversity of having money in more then just one place.

    I have zero debt. Both cars are paid for and Zero balance on credit cards though I do have two credit cards both with 20k+ limits. Credit Scores are both around 770-790.

    My wife does not work. I have an 11 year old son. He will be 18 when I turn 45. I have the VA post 9/11 GI bill that was transferred to him and my wife. This means he has his 4 year degree taken care of and will get around 2100 dollars a month for housing as long as he is enrolled full time. They also give 600dollars for books. I do not have to plan to pay for college unless he goes to his Masters/Doctorate. (May make his butt get college loans at that point).

    My wife and I both have life insurance policies. Me 500k, her 350k. Both end around 65. My son has a 100k Term life that he can cash out in the future if he wants.

    Lastly I am not tied to ANY area. When I retire I want to move to a cheap/safe place to live. We are currently thinking around the Nashville area but far enough away from the city so that I NEVER have to deal with traffic. I have no intent to drive into a big city for any real reason. My house I bought here on the West coast for 475k would cost around 200k there. Gas/grocers reflect these deductions as well. But we are open to anywhere in the US minus Hurricane States and we don't like the East Coast, maybe Vermont and Maine are an option.

    I plan to sell my house. Make 400+k profit (thinking this will be closer to 600 but being low end just in case). Use half that money to buy a new house straight cash (retirement home). Use some of the remaining money to purchase a second home as a rental property for income. Everything else into savings. I would also like to have around 100-200k savings by the age of 45. Then on top of that my investments.

    But obviously the main perk to all this is the two pensions and the VA and basically free healthcare for life for me and my wife. I can also include Social Security as I have around 19 years of paid in SS. (they don't take out SS for my police job).

    So that is it. I know there are hidden cost. I don't want to work past 45. I hate work lol. I love my job but still hate work by default. I want to be young and enjoy retirement. I don't want to retire and not get to go out and have fun.

    What else can I do to speed this up? I can work more overtime as my salary increases (which is does by 3 percent each year not counting cost of living increase). I plan to bust my butt over the next 6 years make it like I worked 9 cash flow wise. What else am I missing as hidden cost of retirement or big things that could increase my after employment cash flow.

    Thanks in advance! I really want to make this work.
    Last edited by Vicus; 05-11-2017, 03:00 AM.

  • #2
    If you are bringing in almost $56K each month from your pensions, you don't need anyone's help around these parts.

    Congrats and good work.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by TexasHusker View Post
      If you are bringing in almost $56K each month from your pensions, you don't need anyone's help around these parts.

      Congrats and good work.
      So that was a typo. Pretty sure that was obvious lol. I will be bringing in 56k each year from Pensions.

      I won't be bringing that in until 53 and I want to retire around 10 years prior to that. So I have to live 10 years at around 36k. I don't want deplete all my funds to survive and I feel like I have a decent plan but I am pretty sure I am a novice compared to many people on these forums. So would still appreciate any advice, even if it saves me $200 a year.
      Last edited by Vicus; 05-10-2017, 07:07 PM.

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      • #4
        When I was 45 I had to go onto permanent disability. I had nothing like you have stashed away. As far as I can see, If you wanted to, you could retire now since you seem to have your life needs taken care of.

        But good for you. I have no advice to offer.
        Gailete
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        • #5
          Some questions:
          - The one big tidbit of information that you're missing are your anticipated living expenses in retirement.
          - I know the military pension is inflation adjusted... Are the VA disability & Police pension also inflation adjusted?
          - I'm a little confused, are you planning to retire from the police at 45 or at 53? 45 will be tough I think. 53, totally doable.
          - Exactly how much are you anticipating to have in cash & investments when you retire? Sounds like maybe $400k-$500k, between investments & house proceeds? Will that money be in taxable accounts, or in retirement accounts? If retirement accounts, remember that you can't access them until you're​ 59.5 y/o. To retire early, you need alot invested in taxable accounts.

          So can you do it? I would say that you likely​ can, primarily due to your 2 pensions & the VA disability. If you're debt free in a paid off home & in a low-cost area, $55k/yr should be more than sufficient for your needs. If you do in fact have ~$500k in investments, that'll provide ~$20k/yr indefinitely, which is probably what you need to make it last through a long retirement.

          Really, it'll all end up coming down to your numbers at the time you're actually looking at retiring. I think you may find it would make more sense for you to delay another few years. Because although you may be doing great at 45 or 50, you need to have some flexibility built in for when you're 85 and need help using the bathroom.

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          • #6
            Thxs

            Some questions:
            - The one big tidbit of information that you're missing are your anticipated living expenses in retirement.
            - I know the military pension is inflation adjusted... Are the VA disability & Police pension also inflation adjusted?
            - I'm a little confused, are you planning to retire from the police at 45 or at 53? 45 will be tough I think. 53, totally doable.
            - Exactly how much are you anticipating to have in cash & investments when you retire? Sounds like maybe $400k-$500k, between investments & house proceeds? Will that money be in taxable accounts, or in retirement accounts? If retirement accounts, remember that you can't access them until you're​ 59.5 y/o. To retire early, you need alot invested in taxable accounts.

            - Low cost of living. We cook at home, don't have cable. Just need internet, netflix, and MMO subscription. We have cellphones but barely use the data. We would like to travel outside of the U.S. Like once every 2-3 years ish maybe would be great but I would try to use the free military travel on base to take part in this. But we don't drink, smoke, ect.
            - I will be resigning from the police at 45. I will start gaining a pension from them at around 1600$ a month at the age of 53.
            - Plan to spend around 300k on a new house in the area where we retire (looking for around 2600 squarefoot ish). Another 150k into rental property (condo) so we can have renters in it for cash flow. No mortgage on either house. Then around another 150k in the bank. About 200k in retirement accounts that we wont touch unless we need to so that interest continues to build.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by kork13 View Post
              . Because although you may be doing great at 45 or 50, you need to have some flexibility built in for when you're 85 and need help using the bathroom.
              I have free health care for life. I think it covers a decent amount but it doesnt cover Long term Health care. If covers the following:

              Skilled nursing care
              Durable medical equipment
              Home health care
              Hospice care

              Should I look into Long term health care insurance? Would this be worth it since I am sure it's pretty low cost at this stage of my life? I don't know much about it (will google now thou).

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              • #8
                Your post is probably confusing for many. Let's summarize.

                Current Military Disability and Pension $36.6k/year

                @ age 53, retiring at age 45 Police Pension $19.2k/year

                Total Pension Payouts at age 53 is $56k/year

                Current Income including pension is
                Pension $36.6k
                Salary $60k + $15k overtime = $85k
                =$121.6k/year

                Mortgage - $2781/month
                extra $1000 mortgage payment = $12k/year

                Current Retirement Savings
                TSP $27k
                401k $30k - $4k savings and $3k match
                Roth IRA DH $15k -1-2k/year
                Roth IRA DW $10k -1-2k/year

                You are planning between $400k-600k home equity by age 45 which if $600k you will pay capital gains on anything over $500k. Second you are counting in 8 years having $100k in your 401k probably a good guess since you are "saving" $7k including match.

                What's your budget now?

                $121.6k Salary

                Savings
                $12k Mortgage paydown
                $3k Roth IRA
                $4k 401k
                $4k back taxes to 401k
                = $23k = 18.9%

                You are saving 18.9% but it's sort of disproportionate into the house. Gambling that it'll only appreciate and not plateau off or go down. Not sure where you are going.

                You are only saving into retirement accounts $7k/year ($10k including police match).

                What are you spending now? Are you spending the rest of the money? $97k a year? If so then well I hate to say this but you could find it difficult to live on $36k/year at age 45. Why?

                You are paying $33k/year mortgage from the $97k/year = $64k/year spending. Your taxes aren't that high to make up $26k/year. I don't understand military pensions to know if they are taxed. I'm thinking disability portion is not? If so then your taxes are lower.

                So the real question is not do you have enough pensions. But rather how much do you need at age 45? You seem to think you'll have a $200k paid for house, but in 8 years if your house appreciates why wouldn't the house in NC also appreciate? Further you need to know what your spending is outside of a house. Even with a paid for house I think you'll be surprised with your spending.
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                • #9
                  Take home pay 60 + 15 = 75. Above said 85k so that and the total salary is off by 10k.

                  Minor detail.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Jluke View Post
                    Take home pay 60 + 15 = 75. Above said 85k so that and the total salary is off by 10k.

                    Minor detail.
                    Yep that is my bad!

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by LivingAlmostLarge View Post
                      So the real question is not do you have enough pensions. But rather how much do you need at age 45? You seem to think you'll have a $200k paid for house, but in 8 years if your house appreciates why wouldn't the house in NC also appreciate? Further you need to know what your spending is outside of a house. Even with a paid for house I think you'll be surprised with your spending.

                      So this is the first full year I've been able to get my full pay. My first year as an officer you don't make much as you are in the academy for 6 months ect. My second year I purchased the home and did some small upgrades. Last year I was injured tackling a suspect. Took me out 9 months for surgery. I also had two major upgrades to my house with a remodeled bathroom and had a patio with a gazebo put in. I am taking the risk that my house could go down in price but if that happen I would just continue to work until the market went back up. But the area where I live has been rocketing and not much room to grow. Even when the market crashed in 2005 my home value around that time was still around 420k. But right now its around 600k.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Vicus View Post
                        My wife and I both have Roth IRA's. Mine has around 15k in it and hers around 10k. We put in 1-2k each year in each account. Mainly like the funds in the Deferred Comp better but I like the diversity of having money in more then just one place.


                        What else can I do to speed this up?
                        Increase your Roth contributions - you can each put in 5500/year. If you are n't happy with your investment choices in your Roth then you aren't doing something right. You should have full access to almost every single fund available.

                        but the most important reason to contribute is that you are able to withdraw your contributions from a Roth. So that could help tie you over during the gap between early retirement and 59.5

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Jluke View Post
                          Increase your Roth contributions - you can each put in 5500/year. If you are n't happy with your investment choices in your Roth then you aren't doing something right. You should have full access to almost every single fund available.

                          but the most important reason to contribute is that you are able to withdraw your contributions from a Roth. So that could help tie you over during the gap between early retirement and 59.5
                          I agree. The Roth is a great option for early retirees since you can take the money out (contributions) at any time without penalty. Plus you have total control over the investment choices.
                          Steve

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Vicus View Post
                            My son has a 100k Term life that he can cash out in the future if he wants.
                            Not a retirement issue but I wanted to comment on this.

                            First, why does your 11-yhear-old son need life insurance? Is he ill? Surely nobody is financially dependent on him.
                            Second, are you sure it is term life? The fact that you say he can cash it out in the future would suggest it is whole life which is very different. Are you paying for that policy? If so, I'd definitely recommend getting rid of it. It serves no purpose.
                            Steve

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by disneysteve View Post
                              Not a retirement issue but I wanted to comment on this.

                              First, why does your 11-yhear-old son need life insurance? Is he ill? Surely nobody is financially dependent on him.
                              Second, are you sure it is term life? The fact that you say he can cash it out in the future would suggest it is whole life which is very different. Are you paying for that policy? If so, I'd definitely recommend getting rid of it. It serves no purpose.
                              It's a 100k Whole life plan. I got it because I wanted him to have something for the future to give to his child or spouse incase he got married Young in his 20's or something and bad luck happen. If not he could cash it out to help with his first home or whatever. It was just a great rate and something I wanted to support him with. The policy is paid for.

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