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    I am thinking about retiring next year, and trying to run some numbers. It is not a matter of finances since DH and I are debt-free. The issue is more to do with what I do with myself afterwards -- and whether or not it is financially (as far as taxes) wise. Here is some info:

    I work for a local government, and do not pay into Social Security:
    Age: 56
    Tax Bracket: 33.6%
    My current Income: 122K
    My Projected Pension Income: 90K
    DH and I max our our 401K/457b contributions as well as yearly IRA contributions. Our plans are not eligible for the super dooper backdoor after tax contributions. Used to do Roths but not eligible. We do nondeductible IRAs and convert them afterwards.

    Future possibilities:
    1. Promotion -- I am on a list (good for 2 years) and placed at the top. However, my boss (who has lots of years) does not look like he is retiring within that timeframe because he has nothing to do. Do I wait as time ticks on? If I wait, my pension will increase. After about 2 years, I would make about the same money staying home. Also, the next time the test is given, I may or may not do as well.
    2. Retirement with possible call-back doing the same thing at the same place for a max of 120 days per fiscal year -- this is highly probable. Pay could be as high as 60K (in addition to pension listed above). No ability to contribute to 457b due to initial retirement. Need to check if there are any other avenues to shelter from taxes.
    3. Full time employment in the same field for another city -- possible. This would be a full time gig starting at 85K yearly. 457b or equivalent is available as well as a secondary pension if I worked at least 5 years. Job plus --- ability to make a difference. Minus -- coming in as an outside and as a woman. I work in a non-traditional field and my current supervisors do not generally value women. I also do not think that I want to "have" to work somewhere for 5 years.
    4. Employment as a consultant with a private company -- probable. I have contacts with many firms but the work would be full-time by project. Pay -- I do not know but am guessing 80K yearly. 401K would be available.
    5. Self employed in the same field -- possible as well. Going rates $100hr+ but I think I could open a SEP or Keogh.
    6. Self employed in an unrelated field -- I am intrigued with this option. Something online -- perhaps utilizing blogging or etsy. Income -- unknown

    Which option would be best from a tax point of view? Would I be working for peanuts for most of those options? For #1 -- there have never been any women in that position, so this is more of an ego thing I guess.

    Our DD will be going to college in Fall 2016, but that is already cash flowed. DH thinks I should just retire so I do not have to deal with a bunch of problems. If option #2 comes through, I do not have to work the entire period of time. I would volunteer somewhere locally if that is the case.

    Any feedback would be helpful. Please note that I am VERY thankful to have "problems" like this!

  • #2
    If you enjoy the town you are working with now, I would stay! If the wait for promotion gets too long, then I would just retire. I think that moving to a new job in a new city would possibly not only give you a significant pay cut (practically 40K a year), but it would also take away from the hard work you've done for the current city you're in.

    If you aren't absolutely 100% happy in the town you're in now, I would consider moving to the other job. However, I would not leave your current position until you knew you had the other.

    This problem is definitely a good one to have. I wish you the best of luck in your endeavors with whatever you choose.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by SavingBucks View Post
      I am thinking about retiring next year, and trying to run some numbers. It is not a matter of finances since DH and I are debt-free. The issue is more to do with what I do with myself afterwards -- and whether or not it is financially (as far as taxes) wise. Here is some info:

      I work for a local government, and do not pay into Social Security:
      Age: 56
      Tax Bracket: 33.6%
      My current Income: 122K
      My Projected Pension Income: 90K
      DH and I max our our 401K/457b contributions as well as yearly IRA contributions. Our plans are not eligible for the super dooper backdoor after tax contributions. Used to do Roths but not eligible. We do nondeductible IRAs and convert them afterwards.

      Future possibilities:
      1. Promotion -- I am on a list (good for 2 years) and placed at the top. However, my boss (who has lots of years) does not look like he is retiring within that timeframe because he has nothing to do. Do I wait as time ticks on? If I wait, my pension will increase. After about 2 years, I would make about the same money staying home. Also, the next time the test is given, I may or may not do as well.
      This appears to be the best possible option for you. Bar none! Wait two years and make the same amount of money now without going anywhere.

      Once retired you can then do Option 4 or 5.

      Originally posted by SavingBucks View Post

      4. Employment as a consultant with a private company -- probable. I have contacts with many firms but the work would be full-time by project. Pay -- I do not know but am guessing 80K yearly. 401K would be available.
      5. Self employed in the same field -- possible as well. Going rates $100hr+ but I think I could open a SEP or Keogh.
      Being your own boss offers lots of perks!
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      • #4
        Originally posted by SavingBucks View Post
        Which option would be best from a tax point of view?
        You mentioned pension income, but not expected expenses. Does that pension provide enough to support your future plans or do you need more income to meet your goals?

        Once you reach financial independence, you can ask the question of which option will be the most fulfilling way to spend your time and not worry so much about taxes. Not that you should start ignoring tax strategy, but it doesn't have to be a driver in your decisions. You already seem to be taking advantage of any tax savings opportunities available and you will continue to do that in any of your future possibilities, but it doesn't have to steer your decision. But to get back to the question: Reducing your income will reduce taxes.

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        • #5
          I'm guessing you work in California like I did. I recently retired when I maxed out with CalPERS (90%) and it's been the best thing ever. My take home pay is actually more then when I was working. Absolutely retire if you can financially.

          If your financially secure and it sounds like you are, then retirement is like being on vacation every day, that's the best way I can describe it. I tried to explain this to many of the younger people I worked with but few listen and will pay the price down the road.

          Life is to short, enjoy it while your still young.

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          • #6
            Deciding When to Retire

            Thank you for the insight! The area for the other possible job is adjacent to the one I already work in, so there is no relocation. It is actually about 5 miles closer to my home. If I were to take #2 -- my annual income would be pension from #1 at 90K + the 85K from the new job. So the obvious tax increase makes me wonder if it is financially worth it.

            Expenses -- we are financially set and our expenses are minimal. CC cards are used and paid off monthly, and we have no mortgage of any kind. So our expenses are the usual -- utilities, property insurances and taxes, etc. We have always been frugal. I have not calculated our exact annual expenses (I think I will plan to do so) but we could live on one of our salaries and still bank at least 40% with no issue. We save at least that much now. We also have a rental property about 8 blocks away that with no mortgage and is rented. I also saved US Savings Bonds for both kids for years and now is the time to cash in. We have enough to pay for almost 3 years for DD without touching other savings!

            Yes, we are in California -- southern as a matter of fact. My pension is not CalPers but a stand alone one. Option #2 might be CalPers but I have not checked. I also heard a rumor about Option #2 -- that there have been no women in any of the positions (including lesser ones) and that women are not exactly appreciated. Makes me a bit angry and want to do it anyway to prove a point..............

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            • #7
              I retired 4 years ago at age 55 and I have not regretted the decision. I have had some wonderful experiences that I would not have been able to do if I still had been working-mainly because I wouldn't have been able to get the time off.

              It sounds like you are in good shape financially. Before I retired I did some modeling of expected expenses and income streams. Also, income streams if something should happen to me -- what would DH have as a survivor and vice versa (a surprising discovery was that I still needed life ins through age 65 to cover the gap in survivor benefits until a pension for DH would kick in). There's no hurry to retire--take the time to make sure you're ready.

              And on that note-- I know at least one former coworker who quit before being ready and regretted the decision.

              It sounds like you still want to work, but you are looking for a more challenging job. You are in a very good spot if you wanted to take a risk and pursue some of these other opportunities. I don't think you could go wrong with any option.

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              • #8
                Retire. Or retire in 2 years. How is it possible to retire with a pension equivalent to what you are making? At that point for sure retire.

                I might work the next 2 years so you can have time to prepare yourself to retire mentally and physically. Maybe start brainstorming or trying out hobbies or potential other jobs if you wanted to work. But if you aren't ready to quite retire maybe if you set the end point now, "i'll retire in 2 years, it'll help you get there mentally."
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by LivingAlmostLarge View Post
                  Retire. Or retire in 2 years. How is it possible to retire with a pension equivalent to what you are making? At that point for sure retire.
                  Easy. I have a pension at my job, and I accrue about 2.5% of my salary per year of service. 40 years x 2.5% = 100% of salary in a pension payment.

                  But the best part is you can do it sooner. FICA/OASDI taxes are about 8% of my paycheck, and I'm contributing 18% of my gross to my retirement funds. So I really only need a pension of 74% of my salary to have the same income in retirement. Which is 30 years of service, not 40. I have 25 now.

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                  • #10
                    Do you pay into the pension to get something back? Or just paid out? Is that why pensions don't survive?
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by LivingAlmostLarge View Post
                      Do you pay into the pension to get something back? Or just paid out? Is that why pensions don't survive?
                      Yes, I pay in 8% mandatory; my employer pays in as well.

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