Vaccination free for-all

[disneysteve]

Personally, I am comfortable not wearing a mask around known-vaccinated others, like family and good friends.

Yes. Masks are not needed if everyone is vaccinated. Once my mother, wife, and I were fully vaccinated, we stopped wearing masks when we're with her in her apartment. We still wear one going through the public areas of her building of course since there are unvaccinated people living there and we respect that.

[QuarterMillionMan]

If the 6' rule may not be enough, why is it in schools 3' is now adequate? This new ruling baffles my mind.

[ua_guy]

Always something new to fear. Two months ago it was The Variants. The CDC chief bawling about it. That didn’t work out. Now it’s India.

Pandemics are complex. That's just the way it is. Different regions of the world are struggling with it in different ways and at different times. The big outbreak recently discussed follows a religious holiday when millions gathered for an annual pilgrimage. Is anyone shocked?

And if you really think the mask mandate is out of genuine belief in science, why is Joe Biden pictured in the login room of Jimmy and Rosalyn Carter, with no mask on. Three minutes later, he’s emerging from the house with a mask on for the cameras.

This is a complete, utter farce.

The Carters are vaccinated and so is Biden. Personally, I am comfortable not wearing a mask around known-vaccinated others, like family and good friends.

Wearing a mask is a huge thing. Humans weren’t designed to have their faces covered for years. It’s not normal, and there are tremendous repercussions for mandating it. Ask your behavioral health colleagues. Besides all of that, it didn’t work anyway. Look at the trend lines of the lockdown states versus the Neanderthal states. The former were no better off, and often, worse off.

Other than some CDC self-serving propaganda, there is little actual evidence to support that human behavior altered the trajectory of this virus one way or the other.

The same thing can be said about pants.

Masks do work, and so does distancing - when people strictly observe those things. When people don't observe those things, they don't work. It's not rocket science. You can't get Coronavirus if you aren't near it. A recent study suggested the 6' rule may not be as effective as hoped, which gives credence to the idea that people should not gather indoors with the public if it can be avoided. Just like we've been told all along.

[TexasHusker]

And if you really think the mask mandate is out of genuine belief in science, why is Joe Biden pictured in the login room of Jimmy and Rosalyn Carter, with no mask on. Three minutes later, he’s emerging from the house with a mask on for the cameras.

This is a complete, utter farce.

[TexasHusker]

About 2/3 of the country still isn't vaccinated, and globally 96% isn't vaccinated. This pandemic is far from over. Look at India where they are seeing over 400,000 new cases every day.

Much of "normal" life has resumed. Restaurants are open. Movie theaters have started to reopen. Live music is coming back. Broadway announced their reopening plans. There are fans in the stands at sporting events. Air travel is the highest it's been since the pandemic started. Heck, I've flown twice in the past two months myself and my wife is flying again tomorrow. We're going to a Bat Mitzvah in 2 weeks, the first in-person gathering we will have attended in over 14 months.

So yes, we're still wearing a mask. Big deal. It's really not that difficult even though so many people still can't manage to do it right. Other than the mask, what part of "life as we knew it" hasn't at least partially if not fully resumed or is on the verge of resuming?

Wearing a mask is a huge thing. Humans weren’t designed to have their faces covered for years. It’s not normal, and there are tremendous repercussions for mandating it. Ask your behavioral health colleagues. Besides all of that, it didn’t work anyway. Look at the trend lines of the lockdown states versus the Neanderthal states. The former were no better off, and often, worse off.

Other than some CDC self-serving propaganda, there is little actual evidence to support that human behavior altered the trajectory of this virus one way or the other.

[TexasHusker]

India called, and she said no, it's not over yet.

It's like we're watching all of the mistakes we just made in the US happen all over again, three times worse.

Always something new to fear. Two months ago it was The Variants. The CDC chief bawling about it. That didn’t work out. Now it’s India.

[ua_guy]

Now im really confused. On one hand you say that the vaccine is nearly 100% effective, yet you're also saying that even though you are vaccinated, you cant resume life as we knew it? So this is the new norm it appears.

The important thing to understand is that pandemics aren't a "switch". They happen on a gradient. We're beginning the exit phase here in the US where people who are vaccinated must help bridge the gap while others become vaccinated. The rate of vaccination rises, and cases/infections/death should begin to fall.

Immunity takes time to build post-vaccination. And there is still the possibility that a vaccinated person can have a breakthrough infection, or become infected while building immunity, and spread it to others, although the chances are reduced. Because so many people are still unvaccinated, it makes sense to observe caution (for self and others) until this thing is truly nipped in the bud.

[disneysteve]

Now im really confused. On one hand you say that the vaccine is nearly 100% effective, yet you're also saying that even though you are vaccinated, you cant resume life as we knew it? So this is the new norm it appears.

About 2/3 of the country still isn't vaccinated, and globally 96% isn't vaccinated. This pandemic is far from over. Look at India where they are seeing over 400,000 new cases every day.

Much of "normal" life has resumed. Restaurants are open. Movie theaters have started to reopen. Live music is coming back. Broadway announced their reopening plans. There are fans in the stands at sporting events. Air travel is the highest it's been since the pandemic started. Heck, I've flown twice in the past two months myself and my wife is flying again tomorrow. We're going to a Bat Mitzvah in 2 weeks, the first in-person gathering we will have attended in over 14 months.

So yes, we're still wearing a mask. Big deal. It's really not that difficult even though so many people still can't manage to do it right. Other than the mask, what part of "life as we knew it" hasn't at least partially if not fully resumed or is on the verge of resuming?

[rennigade]

Anyone who has a vaccine should be able to act vaccinated. That should be the point.

It would be nice if science worked that way but it doesn't.

I'm not looking up the exact numbers but I think there have been something like 9,200 cases of post-vaccination COVID out of over 105,000,000 fully vaccinated people. That's as damn close to 100% as you're ever going to see.

"Cure" is the wrong word though because that would mean the shot would fix someone who has COVID. The shot PREVENTS the disease; it doesn't cure it.

Now im really confused. On one hand you say that the vaccine is nearly 100% effective, yet you're also saying that even though you are vaccinated, you cant resume life as we knew it? So this is the new norm it appears.

[ua_guy]

The pandemic is over my friend. Started petering out in January. But you keep wearing your mask. Might even double up just to be sure.

India called, and she said no, it's not over yet.

It's like we're watching all of the mistakes we just made in the US happen all over again, three times worse.

[TexasHusker]

The "media" excuse is getting really old. The "media" has done nothing but blare really embarrassing, damning news about everyone and everything, like it always has. It cannot be blamed for actual shortcomings or gaps in thought, which it rightfully exposes.

But you do make a good point. Apathy is huge. However, the apathetic can be easily pushed because the barrier is usually about convenience and will power to just get something done. The apathetic are more likely to do something if incentivized, and as vaccine science works, we can all stand to benefit from as many people getting vaccinated as possible. It's the fearful who are unwavering, who will cling to not only fear, but who will also double down on their reasons for not getting vaccinated, no matter how untrue or absurd.

I've mentioned this before, but I work in healthcare environments and there are legitimately people who understand the science, but are just cautious about taking a vaccine which still only has EUA. Interestingly, there are people who have outed themselves as deniers, and I'm astonished as to why they would even want to work in healthcare. I don't want to alienate what is appreciable and legitimate concern. But we're also reaching that point where things are looking very safe after hundreds of millions of people are becoming vaccinated worldwide. The unknown is "long term". As I stare down middle-age, I can count on two hands the things I will wager to be more likely than this vaccine taking me out.

I'm living again. I wear a mask because I understand why I should take that precaution for a while longer. I've been out in public, I've embraced vaccinated family members, I'm starting to do all the things I used to do and not once did I ever think this was about "control". We're in the thick of a pandemic, that's what is real here.

The pandemic is over my friend. Started petering out in January. But you keep wearing your mask. Might even double up just to be sure.

[ua_guy]

Actually that’s media spin.

The biggest hurdle is apathy. To the average 20 or 30 something, why would I screw with getting shots if I have to act unvaccinated? For the low-risk age group, there is no incentive to get shots. I have 47 employees, and most fall in to this category.

Now the gubmit is floating paying people to get vaccinated. Why not just let them act vaccinated? That would gain some traction.

The "media" excuse is getting really old. The "media" has done nothing but blare really embarrassing, damning news about everyone and everything, like it always has. It cannot be blamed for actual shortcomings or gaps in thought, which it rightfully exposes.

But you do make a good point. Apathy is huge. However, the apathetic can be easily pushed because the barrier is usually about convenience and will power to just get something done. The apathetic are more likely to do something if incentivized, and as vaccine science works, we can all stand to benefit from as many people getting vaccinated as possible. It's the fearful who are unwavering, who will cling to not only fear, but who will also double down on their reasons for not getting vaccinated, no matter how untrue or absurd.

I've mentioned this before, but I work in healthcare environments and there are legitimately people who understand the science, but are just cautious about taking a vaccine which still only has EUA. Interestingly, there are people who have outed themselves as deniers, and I'm astonished as to why they would even want to work in healthcare. I don't want to alienate what is appreciable and legitimate concern. But we're also reaching that point where things are looking very safe after hundreds of millions of people are becoming vaccinated worldwide. The unknown is "long term". As I stare down middle-age, I can count on two hands the things I will wager to be more likely than this vaccine taking me out.

I'm living again. I wear a mask because I understand why I should take that precaution for a while longer. I've been out in public, I've embraced vaccinated family members, I'm starting to do all the things I used to do and not once did I ever think this was about "control". We're in the thick of a pandemic, that's what is real here.

[TexasHusker]

As of April 15, 5800 people out of 77 million caught COVID after getting fully vaccinated. That’s .0075%

Assume 2% of those 5800, or 116, died.

That’s .000150%

I think it’s safe to live again, frankly. The continuing on of the various social distancing and other crap is just the left trying to exert control at this point. It’s highly debatable whether any of these theatrics moved the needle one tick.

[TexasHusker]

It would be nice if science worked that way but it doesn't.

Actually it does. The two-shot vaccines are proving to be 90+ percent effective.

[disneysteve]

Anyone who has a vaccine should be able to act vaccinated. That should be the point.

It would be nice if science worked that way but it doesn't.