COVID cases spike in states that didn't shut down

[disneysteve]

Then why is the CCP so defensive about calling it the Wuhan virus?

That isn't the name that has been given to the disease. It's COVID-19. Ebola and Lyme are the actual designated names for those conditions.

What is so difficult about using the actual name? Why is that even a discussion point?

[Scallywag]

That isn't the name that has been given to the disease. It's COVID-19. Ebola and Lyme are the actual designated names for those conditions.

What is so difficult about using the actual name? Why is that even a discussion point?

You don't see Spaniards screeching about the "Spanish flu", the Middle Easterners having an issue wirh "MERS", people on the banks of the Ebola riling against the "Ebola" virus, do you? Then why would the WHO go out if its way to issue directives that claim that calling it the "Wuhan Virus" claiming it "stigmatizes" Wuhan? Entire syndromes are named after people who first describe / document them - you don't see the physicians / researchers, complaining, do you? So what is so extraordinary or "racist" about calling it "Wuhan" virus, after where it originated?

No, I DO NOT blame the Chinese people. I do not, however, trust the CCP or WHO. I am not a fan of Trump but I agree that WHO acted questionably through all this. I believe that the CCP's numbers are suspect and I believe that they should have alerted the rest of the world earlier. I also object to their propaganda that the virus came from American soldiers or that the virus was first spotted in Italy. They (CCP) doth protest too much. WHO has a lot of things to explain, as well.

[disneysteve]

You don't see Spaniards screeching about the "Spanish flu", the Middle Easterners having an issue wirh "MERS", people on the banks of the Ebola riling against the "Ebola" virus, do you?

Calling H1N1, the cause of the 1918 flu pandemic, the "Spanish flu" is absolutely inappropriate and at the time Spain did complain that their people were being stigmatized by that name. That epidemic didn't even start in Spain so the name wasn't even accurate. It was a slur against them.

H1N1 is the actual name of the disease.
MERS is the actual name of the disease.
Ebola is the actual name of the disease.
Lyme is the actual name of the disease.
COVID-19 is the actual name of the disease.

The more people try to rationalize using a racist or bigoted term, the more racist and bigoted they make themselves sound.

Just use the actual name. Is that really so difficult? Why continue using a name that you've (generic you) been told repeatedly is inappropriate? At that point, people doing it know it's wrong and keep doing it anyway just to be rude.

[ua_guy]

[...] I do not, however, trust the CCP or WHO. I am not a fan of Trump but I agree that WHO acted questionably through all this. I believe that the CCP's numbers are suspect and I believe that they should have alerted the rest of the world earlier. I also object to their propaganda that the virus came from American soldiers or that the virus was first spotted in Italy. They (CCP) doth protest too much. WHO has a lot of things to explain, as well.

Not to jump in and change the subject but I'm genuinely curious as to what the WHO did to lose your trust. It's undisputed that the WHO made global announcements about the virus on January 5th, identified the virus on 1/7, and issued many precautions including respiratory concerns.

The CCP's numbers are suspect. Yes. Even US numbers are suspect. Without proper testing a lot of cases are still going unreported and deaths not tallied for covid. And politics is suspect here-- there is a belief that certain states (ahem...Texas) have been intentionally testing less aggressively, under-reporting.

[disneysteve]

The CCP's numbers are suspect. Yes. Even US numbers are suspect. Without proper testing a lot of cases are still going unreported and deaths not tallied for covid.

Absolutely. I posted a story in another thread this morning. I'll share it again here.

Here's a quick story I heard this morning. A patient came to one of our testing sites and got tested. A provider called him back to let him know his test was positive and asked how he was feeling. He said he felt perfectly fine, no symptoms at all. In fact, he NEVER had any symptoms. He had lied about having symptoms in order to get tested. So now we've got a COVID POSITIVE patient and we need to advise them when they can return to work and stop self-isolation. The answer is we don't know. We have no idea how long someone is contagious if they are asymptomatic. We could tell him to stay in for 2 weeks from the test date, but that's totally a guess.

Every country's numbers are just the best they've got based on the testing they've done. The true number of COVID cases is probably many times the reported number. In my organization, we are only testing the sickest and highest risk patients. I'm 100% sure I've seen patients with COVID who just didn't qualify to be tested. And tests aren't 100% accurate. I'm positive I've seen patients who had COVID who tested negative.

None of this is anything suspicious or nefarious. It's just the nature of healthcare. We don't actually know with any accuracy how many patients get the flu each year either because most of them don't get tested and formally diagnosed. It's always an estimate.

[Scallywag]

Calling H1N1, the cause of the 1918 flu pandemic, the "Spanish flu" is absolutely inappropriate and at the time Spain did complain that their people were being stigmatized by that name. That epidemic didn't even start in Spain so the name wasn't even accurate. It was a slur against them.

H1N1 is the actual name of the disease.
MERS is the actual name of the disease.
Ebola is the actual name of the disease.
Lyme is the actual name of the disease.
COVID-19 is the actual name of the disease.

The more people try to rationalize using a racist or bigoted term, the more racist and bigoted they make themselves sound.

Just use the actual name. Is that really so difficult? Why continue using a name that you've (generic you) been told repeatedly is inappropriate? At that point, people doing it know it's wrong and keep doing it anyway just to be rude.

You can call me racist all you want. If you don't think Ebola / Lyme / MERS - all location named are bigoted - then why is Wuhan Virus bigoted?

WHO is suspect for just this reason. They didn't want to "stigmatize" Wuhan! But it isn't "stigmatizing" to the Middle East, Ebola Valley and Lyme, CT to have disease origination attributed to them? OK! Sounds very very logical and rational!

BTW, I do publicly refer to it as COVID 19. This is just for a forum board discussion here.

[james.hendrickson]

You can call me racist all you want. If you don't think Ebola / Lyme / MERS - all location named are bigoted - then why is Wuhan Virus bigoted?

WHO is suspect for just this reaspn. They didn't want t0 "stigmatize" Wuhan! But it isn't "stigmatizing" Middle East, Ebola Valley and Lyme, CT? OK! Sounds ve5y logical and rational!

Words matter.

I think the concern is not what any specific member of this forums will do, more the concern is about using language that could help create an environment that fuels latent racist violence. If the general public blames Asian people for the pandemic, some small percentage of the population will take it as license to commit hate crimes. Frankly nobody wants this, so that is where the debate about terminology comes in.

[Scallywag]

Words matter.

I think the concern is not what any specific member of this forums will do, more the concern is about using language that could help create an environment that fuels latent racist violence. If the general public blames Asian people for the pandemic, some small percentage of the population will take it as license to commit hate crimes. Frankly nobody wants this, so that is where the debate about terminology comes in.

Faie enough but in the future NO disease should be named after its place of origin. Or WHO is a bunch of hypocrites!

[disneysteve]

Faie enough but in the future NO disease should be named after its place of origin. Or WHO is a bunch of hypocrites!

The rules by which diseases are named has been changed for just this reason.

From 2015:
WHO, in consultation and collaboration with the World Organisation for Animal Health (OIE) and the Food and Agriculture Organization of the United Nations (FAO), has identified best practices for the naming of new human diseases, with the aim to minimize unnecessary negative impact of disease names on trade, travel, tourism or animal welfare, and avoid causing offence to any cultural, social, national, regional, professional or ethnic groups.

So they aren't going to go back and rename previously known diseases because that would be confusing but going forward since 2015, you won't see anything ever named in that way again. So no, they're not hypocrites. They realized the error of their ways and changed their behavior.

[greenskeeper]

It's pretty sad that you felt the need to go back and edit your post to change COVID, the actual name of the disease that you used initially, to a far more offensive one.

It's pretty sad you have to censor anyone who goes against your PC and democratic/liberal views

[greenskeeper]

disneysteve - [LEFT][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Helvetica][SIZE=14px]I'm having a hard time understanding the purpose of this thread on this particular forum. If the point is to discuss the potential implications of disruption to the food chain on our personal finances, I understand. But the thread started with a rather overtly political statement, which is disappointing.

PC Steve has done this time and time again... ok for him to start a polictical thread but if you counter-point his views your threatened with "keep politics off the board"

[greenskeeper]

I see zero proof of this conspiracy theory. Care to link a credible source with only facts and no speculation?

So what is the conspiracy here that China took down the US economy by unleashing this virus? So they tanked their own markets, shut down themselves, killed a few thousand people and doctors, hope that Trump is a moron by not taking it seriously unlike South Korea, and completely tank the US economy, being China's biggest trade partner so everyone loses.

Yes yes..I see what a brilliant plan. So I guess all these protestors who thinks this virus is no big deal or it's fake news will cause round two by fall..exactly as planned by the Chinese..hoping that half this country are morons. Got it.

YOUR conspiracy statement...not mine

highly likely the CHINESE virus was released from the Wuhan Institute of Virology biolab

[greenskeeper]

Yeah, it's a funny thing with conspiracy theories. No matter how many times you repeat them, they still aren't true.

ZERO conspiracy.....high probability the CHINESE virus was released from the Wuhan Institute of Virology biolab

[disneysteve]

It's pretty sad you have to censor anyone who goes against your PC and democratic/liberal views

We (not just me - I'm not the only moderator or administrator of this site) don't censor someone for having different views. We DO censor people for posting things that are racist, bigoted, or otherwise felt by the team to be offensive. So right after the OWNER of this site made a post about words mattering probably wasn't the best time to respond with a couple of racist cartoons.

[greenskeeper]

TexasHusker, I respectfully ask that you (and others on this board) stop using racist, inflammatory terms like CHINESE VIRUS. I'm sorry that you've been affected financially by the worldwide pandemic and are clearly very frustrated and angry, but so are millions of others, and using terms like that does not help anything except to make you look ignorant and hateful and to inflame additional attacks and hate crimes against American citizens who have had absolutely nothing to do with China or its actions relating to the corona-virus.

I suspect that you won't believe news stories about the attacks against people of Asian descent in the US and around the world, but I am a Texan and an Asian American and can confirm from my personal experience that those attacks are very real, and using terms like CHINA/CHINESE VIRUS will only make that situation worse. Blame China if you want, but it is not right for you to ignore the potential effects of your words on people like me and my family and friends.

The CHINESE virus originated from a CHINA....ZERO racism in stating the facts