COVID cases spike in states that didn't shut down

[disneysteve]

Haha. yeah, retail can "open" provided that they can offer curbside service only. I can walk right into Walmart and buy some socks. From Dillard's or TJ Maxx?

The problem is Walmart is the largest grocery retailer in the country. They're open through this just like every other grocery store.

And Lowes/Home Depot is a whole different story. Kind of tough to run that as a curbside pickup sort of place. Half the time I go there, I'm not exactly sure what I need until I go in and hunt around and find just the part I'm looking for. It's not a place I could just order online and pick up.

[Singuy]

Nice straw man there. No one said anything about a conspiracy. I think the evidence is heavily leaning now that this came from a Wuhan lab. We don't know whether it was accidental. Some speculated this back in February and were summarily tarred and feathered by the drive-by media.

"The Chinese virus was released upon the world from a CHINESE lab". This is a statement of unsupported "facts". Without proof, it's a conspiracy theory. That's the definition of a conspiracy theory.

[scfr]

disneysteve -

I'm having a hard time understanding the purpose of this thread on this particular forum. If the point is to discuss the potential implications of disruption to the food chain on our personal finances, I understand. But the thread started with a rather overtly political statement, which is disappointing. I wish this thread would be locked or deleted. But before that happens, let me throw my own political hand grenade: This crisis has demonstrated the need to get rid of all the partisan D's and R's who are ruining this country. Time to let the Independents run the show!

[TexasHusker]

"The Chinese virus was released upon the world from a CHINESE lab". This is a statement of unsupported "facts". Without proof, it's a conspiracy theory. That's the definition of a conspiracy theory.

stay tuned. More is coming out daily.

[Singuy]

stay tuned. More is coming out daily.

What for? Many people believes it already or want to believe it. That's kind of how conspiracy theory works. Someone "connected a few dots", spew it out as "truth" and then use "it's the only logical explanation" as proof. Then move along to the next whatever. I'm still waiting on proof of God's existence and that has been a few thousand years.

Connected a few dots: Look we humans make things. But we can only make simple things. But who made us?
Spew it out as "truth": Some thing smarter and powerful must have made us
"It's the only logical explanation" because look how complex we are compared to the simple things we make

Doesn't stop a few billion people in believing it as the "truth" does it?

[disneysteve]

disneysteve I'm having a hard time understanding the purpose of this thread on this particular forum.

Many are saying that the shut downs weren't necessary and we should have just quarantined high risk people, or that they were an overreaction, or that they were too broad. All of the facts and data say otherwise. Here are a bunch of states that chose to ignore all of the warnings and not shut down and now they are seeing the consequences of their inaction.

Some are also saying that this is a local problem, not a national one, but the world doesn't work that way. That "local" problem in South Dakota or Iowa or Wisconsin is now threatening the nation's food supply. That's just one example of why this crisis needed an early, aggressive, coordinated national response.

[ua_guy]

The Chinese virus was released upon the world from a CHINESE lab...accidental or not CHINA owns this and needs to pay a price

As is the case with every viral pandemic, this is man versus nature. Not America versus China or China versus the world. It affects everyone. I'm not one to get hung up on semantics, but calling it the "Chinese Virus" isn't all that helpful or descriptive, and it seems to encourage violence and blame on Chinese people or even "asian-looking" people whom had absolutely nothing to do with its spread. Putting "Chinese" in there is done intentionally some people because they need their pound of flesh. But at least be correct; most sources say it originated in Wuhan; so why not call it the Wuhan Virus. Ebola is ebola, not the African virus. But by all means, if you want to build-a-wall, or make-them-pay, or lock-them-up or subject them to some other hollow 3-syllable threat, realize you are doing so because of your own misunderstanding and hatred.

There are specific instances of darwinism witnessed in real life which are hilarious; and this one isn't. People "protesting" and willfully exposing themselves and others is plain stupidity. Viruses are indiscriminate but here's how it always happens: First it comes for the vulnerable, and then it comes for the stupid. We're decidedly in Act II. I cannot fathom how people believe their own "common sense" outweighs the advice and recommendations of people who have spent their entire lives studying infectious disease. Distancing is our only tool to fight this until we can get behind it with therapeutics or vaccines, and some people want to squander that tool, and all that knowledge.

[Forumfan]

TexasHusker, I respectfully ask that you (and others on this board) stop using racist, inflammatory terms like CHINESE VIRUS. I'm sorry that you've been affected financially by the worldwide pandemic and are clearly very frustrated and angry, but so are millions of others, and using terms like that does not help anything except to make you look ignorant and hateful and to inflame additional attacks and hate crimes against American citizens who have had absolutely nothing to do with China or its actions relating to the corona-virus.

I suspect that you won't believe news stories about the attacks against people of Asian descent in the US and around the world, but I am a Texan and an Asian American and can confirm from my personal experience that those attacks are very real, and using terms like CHINA/CHINESE VIRUS will only make that situation worse. Blame China if you want, but it is not right for you to ignore the potential effects of your words on people like me and my family and friends.

[Mjenn]

We still haven’t shut down. Even with 900+ dead in Stockholm restaurants are still open. The government is working really hard to tell everyone the deaths are no big deal and our high death per million rate is because of how we count the dead. I think it is more because we do t treat anyone over 80, they don’t even get oxygen only morphine.

I wish we would **** down. Instead I am at risk for being reported to the government for keeping my kids out of school.

We will probably hit 2500 deaths nation wide this week, if I am optimistic, and the running line is this is still the same or less serious than the flu and we will have better long term results than Finland and Norway who have way fewer deaths than us.

[Scallywag]

We still haven’t shut down. Even with 900+ dead in Stockholm restaurants are still open. The government is working really hard to tell everyone the deaths are no big deal and our high death per million rate is because of how we count the dead. I think it is more because we do t treat anyone over 80, they don’t even get oxygen only morphine.

I wish we would **** down. Instead I am at risk for being reported to the government for keeping my kids out of school.

We will probably hit 2500 deaths nation wide this week, if I am optimistic, and the running line is this is still the same or less serious than the flu and we will have better long term results than Finland and Norway who have way fewer deaths than us.

Sweden needs its taxes. You guys pay very very high taxes, don't you? That's likely why the govt won't shut you down. I am so sorry. Stay safe.

[Scallywag]

The Chinese virus was released upon the world from a CHINESE lab...accidental or not CHINA owns this and needs to pay a price

How do you intend to do this ? It's an inflammatory assertion high on rhetoric but low on ability to follow through. We're all inter-connected now, so good luck with the desire for vengeance.

[rennigade]

The Chinese virus was released upon the world from a CHINESE lab...accidental or not CHINA owns this and needs to pay a price

This brings up an interesting question. Whether it was from the lab in wuhan, or it was from those wet markets where people eat bats...no matter how it was spread, it did come from china. Should china be held financially responsible for a global outbreak?

[disneysteve]

This brings up an interesting question. Whether it was from the lab in wuhan, or it was from those wet markets where people eat bats...no matter how it was spread, it did come from china. Should china be held financially responsible for a global outbreak?

Of course not. It wasn't a biological warfare attack. The first case just happened to occur in China. They were just as affected as everywhere else. They've had at least 4,600 deaths and at least 83,000 cases. Their economy got shut down too. If the first case had been in Cleveland or Houston or San Diego, would you expect the US to be held financially responsible? Of course not.

Diseases start wherever they happen to start. Ebola started in a village along the Ebola River in Africa. Lyme disease was first identified in Lyme, CT. The 1918 flu pandemic probably started in France although another theory says it started in Kansas.

We don't punish people in the location where a disease is first identified. What possible purpose would that serve?

[Scallywag]

Of course not. It wasn't a biological warfare attack. The first case just happened to occur in China. They were just as affected as everywhere else. They've had at least 4,600 deaths and at least 83,000 cases. Their economy got shut down too. If the first case had been in Cleveland or Houston or San Diego, would you expect the US to be held financially responsible? Of course not.

Diseases start wherever they happen to start. Ebola started in a village along the Ebola River in Africa. Lyme disease was first identified in Lyme, CT. The 1918 flu pandemic probably started in France although another theory says it started in Kansas.

We don't punish people in the location where a disease is first identified. What possible purpose would that serve?

Then why is the CCP so defensive about calling it the Wuhan virus?

[ua_guy]

This brings up an interesting question. Whether it was from the lab in wuhan, or it was from those wet markets where people eat bats...no matter how it was spread, it did come from china. Should china be held financially responsible for a global outbreak?

No. I'm of the belief that what happened wasn't intentional. I'm more inclined to believe (as stated in another thread) that we are all in this together--human v nature. China has already experienced its own devastation. I truly believe sentiments like this are people's unwillingness to accept that terrible things happen without reason and no available recourse that would adjudicate the loss. While we're blaming people and things, I think blaming God should be fair game as well. Bill the Christians since their god knows everything, saw this coming, and let it happen anyway.