No unemployment for DD?

[disneysteve]

So why did the application ask for previous job info if that has no bearing on her eligibility?

[Scallywag]

So why did the application ask for previous job info if that has no bearing on her eligibility?

What application? The unemployment?

I don't know. I have minimum knowledge about this. But AFAIK the job that laid you off pays the unemployment.

[~bs]

Every state is different. Mine looks at up to a year. If you don't have a certain amount of work time over the past year, disqualified! Intended to flush out those gaming the system.

[~bs]

Because it's a non-profit, possible they don't contribute to the unemployment insurance pool. Self employed and contractors have the same issue. The employment doesn't count. GOod thing she's raring to go back to work because doesn't sound like she can collect anything. Possible chance the state will certify her for the federal stimulus if requirements are looser to collect that.

[LivingAlmostLarge]

She likely can qualify like how the self employed people are about to qualify for the $600/week for 16 weeks maybe?

[disneysteve]

She likely can qualify like how the self employed people are about to qualify for the $600/week for 16 weeks maybe?

How does she find out about that? I have no clue about any of this stuff.

[Scallywag]

https://www.patriotsoftware.com/blog...oyment-claims/

This is a pretty revealing read but some details are still murky. As I stated, the LAST employer on record is usually the one who - INDIRECTLY - pays the unemployment benefits. However, the decision to accept or deny a claim is made by the STATE.

This is where things get very confusing / murky. The state takes into account the applicant's "base year" work record. The base year is the last 4 COMPLETED quarters of the last 5 quarters. So if an unemployment applications was made in March (2020), the State's "base year" is Sept of the year prior (2018) to Sept of the last year (2019). The base year for claims made in April (2020) would be Jan 2019 through Dec 2019. The applicant apparently needs to have made at least $200 per week or a minimum of $10000 durimg the base year. The document does not mention if this has to be with the SAME employer or across multiple employers but as the LAST employer (the one who lays off) is INDIRECTLY paying benefits, I assume this would be wages made with the SAME employer across the base year.

You may need to contact an attorney at this time. You should also appeal the claim WITHIN the deadline mentioned in the "Notice of Determination" or forfeit benefits. As I said before, the LAYING OFF employer will have received the notice of benefit claims from your DD and it is possible that they contested the claim or provided documentation that led the State's adjudicator to deny her claim. This is because they are going to have to pay through future INCREASED payroll taxes. This is why most employers AVOID laying people off as much as possible and - as I said before - I have NEVER come across an employer actually encourage laid off employees to file for unemployment! It sounded odd to me that this one would, esp in hindsight (as the claim has been denied). Maybe its different in NJ as unemployment has been paid by the laid off worker through his or her wages, but it seems such a strange advice to give terminating employees!

Your daughter should review her employment paperwork very closely, see if she paid into the state unemployment insurance (unique to NJ) AND still appeal as this could have been an error on the adjudicator's part. Up to you, really.

[disneysteve]

Thanks for the info, Scallywag. That meshes with what I've found about the lookback being through September 2019 and her needing to have worked 20 weeks or earned a certain amount, neither of which she did. I'll take a look at the notification to see what it says about appeals.

[QuarterMillionMan]

When I worked plumbing building new houses or new high rises I'd get laid off after the job was done and would collect unemployment. However, to qualify for unemployment they require a certain amount of time worked and if that requirement was not met disqualified. It makes sense because they don't want someone working just 2 months then collect for 6 months then work 2 months then collect for 6 months. It would be an easy way to game the system so they require a longer work history. And it doesn't have to be with the same employer, it could be many different jobs as long as you worked the amount of time required.

[~bs]

She likely can qualify like how the self employed people are about to qualify for the $600/week for 16 weeks maybe?

Her state will have to have some mechanism in place for the self employed people. If they don't she wont qualify.

[disneysteve]

Her state will have to have some mechanism in place for the self employed people. If they don't she wont qualify.

And she’s not self employed. I’m not sure how she would qualify.

It just sucks that she’s been at this job since July but doesn’t qualify because they don’t consider anything that occurred after 9/30/19.

[bjl584]

Different states have different rules.
I'm not sure what PA does.
I've never filed, so I don't really know how it all works.
Can you appeal?

[disneysteve]

Can you appeal?

Possibly, but on what grounds? There are very clear eligibility criteria that she doesn't meet based on how they calculate it.

[~bs]

And she’s not self employed. I’m not sure how she would qualify.

It just sucks that she’s been at this job since July but doesn’t qualify because they don’t consider anything that occurred after 9/30/19.

She might be fully out of luck. The way the federal stimulus works is that if you even qualify for $1/week for the state, they'll give you the full $600 for federal.

[Scallywag]

Possibly, but on what grounds? There are very clear eligibility criteria that she doesn't meet based on how they calculate it.

My bigger concern is how she's handling this? I know you said you're waiving her rent for now but she's going to have to start paying you at some point, I assume? How long are you waiving rent? And are you going to forgive her back rent entirely? The kid must be stressed out of her mind!

Is she looking for work now? Retail sucks but they're hiring full steam ahead, esp large warehouses. Is she applying there? Also, what about temporary tutoring esp to kids who are ESL ?