if you voted for biden...a question

[ua_guy]

I'll simply say that I believe you're very mistaken. Those are extremely overgeneralized, emotionally charged statements that simply don't reflect reality for the majority of Republicans. Vocal fringe? Perhaps. But you're demonizing people based on the loud-mouthed leaders of a party that is widely recognized as having departed from its base (as you refer to yourself).

Respectfully, I don't believe I am. There's a lot of investigation into the finances of the trump administration and his family and their misuse of power to make themselves more money. It follows appointing unconventional judges and justices at the highest levels to accomplish an agenda that by all measures appears to be against the will of the popular vote. To loop back to the original post, it's why I voted for Biden, even if it may go against my financial interests. I cannot fathom or tolerate what is happening - especially the behavior, lies, and bending of power to cover these things up. So many of the administration's appointees have been accused of wrongdoing and criminal acts, and there's very credible information that there was a campaign of foreign influence which was ignored, maybe even permitted, by the current administration. I could not vote to continue that, out of love and respect for the country I live in.

I am demonizing the people who have proven to do wrong. I don't feel I am emotionally charged. These are my ongoing thoughts and responses to the original post as it relates to the discussion.

[kork13]

Slightly off topic, but I hear your sentiment on the two-party system, Blue and Red. But watch what's happening - I believe there is an emerging "Orange" party. Republicans know their party is losing influence. The popular vote is rarely theirs and the electoral college designed in their favor is losing its advantage. But by giving an "un-candidate" power because he would win votes, they've mobilized a base which believes America should have been founded on religious principle and should be exclusive to their interests. Problem is, the ruling team appears to be in it for their own interests. Kudos, they've found a vulnerability in our democracy and a way to flip the balance of power. It's been exploited successfully and they are making untold sums of money. Their base doesn't give a damn about truth as long as they believe they are bringing God back to America and securing what's theirs.

I'll simply say that I believe you're very mistaken. Those are extremely overgeneralized, emotionally charged statements that simply don't reflect reality for the majority of Republicans. Vocal fringe? Perhaps. But you're demonizing people based on the loud-mouthed leaders of a party that is widely recognized as having departed from its base (as you refer to yourself).

[ua_guy]

Like many of you, I definitely voted against the current president. Like some of you, I also don't know that I trust most politicians. Our country is based on keeping a few in power not representing all folks. We are a two party system and I think that needs to change. We need to have multiple parties that would require collaboration not just the red team or the blue team. We need campaign finance reform. We need to end the lifetime premium healthcare and lifetime pension after 5 years of service. Their benefits should mirror the average person so they remain aware of what the average person's life is like. I'm not a religious person but I do appreciate the concept of Matthew 25:40 Whatever you did for the least of these brothers and sisters of mine. you did for me. And lest you think I'm delusional, I don't expect "our" representatives to go for these ideas....

I just don't understand how folks that I knew from my youth who seem to either only think of themselves or who are so afraid of change that they are willing to vote for a misogynistic, racist, nationalistic....I could go on and on for all the ways this current administration (including the majority leader in the senate). It's heartbreaking, I want to live in a world where we care about each other. I can accept you live your life differently with different values but don't make me live the same way. You can pray in your public school but do it without making me do it. Imagine if I forced you to go through the motions of a religion you didn't believe in? I'm not so polly-anna that I think the work is easy but in the words of Paul Wellstone : "We all do better, when we all do better"

Slightly off topic, but I hear your sentiment on the two-party system, Blue and Red. But watch what's happening - I believe there is an emerging "Orange" party. Republicans know their party is losing influence. The popular vote is rarely theirs and the electoral college designed in their favor is losing its advantage. But by giving an "un-candidate" power because he would win votes, they've mobilized a base which believes America should have been founded on religious principle and should be exclusive to their interests. Problem is, the ruling team appears to be in it for their own interests. Kudos, they've found a vulnerability in our democracy and a way to flip the balance of power. It's been exploited successfully and they are making untold sums of money. Their base doesn't give a damn about truth as long as they believe they are bringing God back to America and securing what's theirs.

[sblatner]

At this point, I could care less about policies and my money. I want someone in office who cares about the American people, doesn't blatantly lie, respects people who are different from him and doesn't fire someone just because they disagree. I also want someone who is focused on the job and not on watching the news and tweeting. It will be nice to have a president who is not always on social media accusing someone of doing something wrong. I am a Democrat but if Trump was the Democratic candidate, I would not have voted for him. (I would hope the Republican would be someone who I respected (though we may not agree)).

[GoodLiving]

Like many of you, I definitely voted against the current president. Like some of you, I also don't know that I trust most politicians. Our country is based on keeping a few in power not representing all folks. We are a two party system and I think that needs to change. We need to have multiple parties that would require collaboration not just the red team or the blue team. We need campaign finance reform. We need to end the lifetime premium healthcare and lifetime pension after 5 years of service. Their benefits should mirror the average person so they remain aware of what the average person's life is like. I'm not a religious person but I do appreciate the concept of Matthew 25:40 Whatever you did for the least of these brothers and sisters of mine. you did for me. And lest you think I'm delusional, I don't expect "our" representatives to go for these ideas....

I just don't understand how folks that I knew from my youth who seem to either only think of themselves or who are so afraid of change that they are willing to vote for a misogynistic, racist, nationalistic....I could go on and on for all the ways this current administration (including the majority leader in the senate). It's heartbreaking, I want to live in a world where we care about each other. I can accept you live your life differently with different values but don't make me live the same way. You can pray in your public school but do it without making me do it. Imagine if I forced you to go through the motions of a religion you didn't believe in? I'm not so polly-anna that I think the work is easy but in the words of Paul Wellstone : "We all do better, when we all do better"

[LivingAlmostLarge]

I don't particularly trust any politicians
I think votes, money, and power are more important than the truth on most cases.
Not all, but most
Biden has had his share of lies over the decades.
One that comes to mind was a lie he told reporters he finished in the top half of his graduating class in law school.
Records showed that he finished near the bottom.

Is he the lesser of two evils?
Maybe
Will he be telling us the truth?
Probably not.
And anyone who hangs their hat on that hope will probably be disappointed

Lesser of two evils we shall see. I can't find him really out to be a jerk. I find trump likes to be a jerk and that was another turn out. I was thinking that some of trump's policies like pulling us out of wars in the middle east something I can get behind. And I'm starting to think maybe it is all about the states. That we leave things to the states so the state's can decide. Maybe lower federal taxes so that the states can do more individually but we don't give handouts to states. So I guess some of what he says I like. Perhaps if he'd been a different person Trump, maybe Romney or something like that, would i have voted for him? Maybe.

[bjl584]

So I didn't have much of an opinion about trump in 2016 except I didn't like him or hillary. I found him repugnant on so many levels these past 4 years. The worse is I now feel like my mom is part of the cult of trump of fake news. She literally would quote incorrect fake news and then say it's the truth. I don't get how this whole making up lies is now acceptable.

I just want to hear the truth. Maybe I don't agree but I'd really like for people to be held accountable. I do feel Biden tells the truth and I do feel (I am not religious and don't particularly care for it) he is a true believer of his faith and it's not for show. It feels like he means it when he says he's here to serve. Strangely I've never felt religion before until this new pope and Biden to be true. I feel like so many politicians put it on for show and what they think their constituents want.

I don't particularly trust any politicians
I think votes, money, and power are more important than the truth on most cases.
Not all, but most
Biden has had his share of lies over the decades.
One that comes to mind was a lie he told reporters he finished in the top half of his graduating class in law school.
Records showed that he finished near the bottom.

Is he the lesser of two evils?
Maybe
Will he be telling us the truth?
Probably not.
And anyone who hangs their hat on that hope will probably be disappointed

[Snicks]

I proudly voted for Trump.

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[srblanco7]

Voted for Biden based on what I firmly believe is best for our Country, my family, and my friends. Also, very much voted against our current President's lies, narcissism, self-enrichment, failures, and abuses of power. I did and would vote this way regardless of potential impacts on my financial interests.

That being said, I believe that a science-based approach to controlling the pandemic will be good for the economy. Also, based on the outcome of the elections, we will not have single party control of the executive and legislative branches which, historically, results in lagging stock market performance.

[LivingAlmostLarge]

So I didn't have much of an opinion about trump in 2016 except I didn't like him or hillary. I found him repugnant on so many levels these past 4 years. The worse is I now feel like my mom is part of the cult of trump of fake news. She literally would quote incorrect fake news and then say it's the truth. I don't get how this whole making up lies is now acceptable.

I just want to hear the truth. Maybe I don't agree but I'd really like for people to be held accountable. I do feel Biden tells the truth and I do feel (I am not religious and don't particularly care for it) he is a true believer of his faith and it's not for show. It feels like he means it when he says he's here to serve. Strangely I've never felt religion before until this new pope and Biden to be true. I feel like so many politicians put it on for show and what they think their constituents want.

[HundredK]

I think it's OK if Biden doesn't accomplish much of anything new, but instead focuses his time on restoring order and competence.

100% agree

[ua_guy]

I'm interested to see if Biden can achieve any real tangible results once he is in office.
I see a lot of stories from the media gushing over what he "might" do.
I just wonder if they, and if the people, will sour on him once he takes the reigns.

I think Trump's un-candidate, anti-politician nature won him a lot of votes in 2016.

I think a lot of those same people voted for stability and the potential for a better pandemic response in 2020. Personally I think it's OK if Biden doesn't accomplish much of anything new, but instead focuses his time on restoring order and competence.

[disneysteve]

I'm interested to see if Biden can achieve any real tangible results once he is in office.
I see a lot of stories from the media gushing over what he "might" do.
I just wonder if they, and if the people, will sour on him once he takes the reigns.

I think Biden will face an uphill battle with a GOP-controlled Senate. Much of what he would like to do requires Congressional approval. The next two years, at least, is going to hold a lot of gridlock in DC with the President and House proposing things and McConnell and the Senate either voting them down or not even bringing them up for discussion.

There are things he can accomplish with Executive Orders and I suspect we'll see a slew of those from the start, especially ones reversing things Trump did by EO.

[bjl584]

I'm interested to see if Biden can achieve any real tangible results once he is in office.
I see a lot of stories from the media gushing over what he "might" do.
I just wonder if they, and if the people, will sour on him once he takes the reigns.

[scfr]

I've been voting against my own narrow, short-term financial interests all of my adult life. I don't have children, but more often than not I vote yes on school bond measures. I do so out of a sense of responsibility, but also happily.
The sad thing is that I've run across people who automatically assume I'll vote no just because I don't have kids. That says more about them than me.