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    So my dad passed a couple of weeks ago. And now I have a cautionary tale of social security. My mom was always expecting to get my dad's social security when he passed because it was more. But it turns out she was wrong. She is going to keep her lower amount because it turns out it's more than if she collected from my dad. The problem?

    She did everything WRONG and took INCORRECT advice from the people at social security. My parents were never financially literate and got really lucky to work a long time and outearn their spending. But what happened?

    My mom took social security at 62. Not a big deal for someone born in 1951. She unfortunately took her own reduced social security because it was more than half my dad's social security. The problem? She could have delayed hers to 70 and collected half off my dad because he was already collecting. But the person at social security told her instead to take her 25% reduced social security because it was more. They were only looking at the "momentary" value of her social security. Now 10 years later my mom can't take my dad's SS because she would be taking a haircut on his social security which would turn into less than she's able to collect on hers because she has to apply the haircut.

    She was fortunate to be in the category of women who could have file and suspended her social security to 70 but collect off my dad. That ended with people born in 1953. But the spouse has to be collecting as well. So she was in the doughnut hole of social security recipients. But this past 10 years she's been expecting when he died she'd have his and get rid of her lower income.

    Unfortuantely she's got to keep hers now because it's more than 75% of his. He also made the mistake of collecting at 65 instead of waiting till 70 even though they were both working!

    Like I said my parents were not financially literate.

    So don't just take someone who works at social security opinion. Do your own research and ask and read.
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  • #2
    SS is ridiculously complicated, especially for couples. There are so many variables involved in figuring out what the best strategy is. There are some good websites that can help. The one I see recommended the most is opensocialsecurity.com. I haven't started playing with it yet myself because we're not there yet but I will soon.
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    • #3
      it realy is super complicated
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      • #4
        Your Mom should receive the higher of 1. her own benefit or 2. 100% of your father's benefit as a survivor. (Of course, it is one or the other).


        "We base your survivors benefit amount on the earnings of the person who died. The more they paid into Social Security, the higher your benefits would be.

        These are examples of the benefits that survivors may receive:
        • Surviving spouse, full retirement age or older — 100% of the deceased worker's benefit amount."
        https://www.ssa.gov/pubs/EN-05-10084.pdf


        As long as Social Security knows that your father passed away (and that they were married), it should be automatically recalculated to give your Mom the highest benefit she is entitled to.
        There is also a small one time payment payment of $255.00 paid to the survivor. (Definitely contact SS regarding this just to make sure everything is reflected correctly)

        Watch your Mom's bank account. Even though social security pays you for the previous month--sometimes depending on what time of the month the payment is made and when the person passed away, SS will take back that last payment. (There is a form to file to get that last payment back if it wasn't paid. https://www.ssa.gov/forms/ssa-1724.html ) This form also includes any medicare payments that were made in advance (depending on how/when the payment was made.


        Here is another reference for you: https://www.bogleheads.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=367391

        Last edited by Like2Plan; 03-26-2024, 05:31 AM.

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        • #5
          Dealing with Social Security stuff can be a real headache. Learning the hard way about not relying solely on what they tell you, huh? It's like, you gotta do your own homework.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by disneysteve View Post
            SS is ridiculously complicated, especially for couples. There are so many variables involved in figuring out what the best strategy is. There are some good websites that can help. The one I see recommended the most is opensocialsecurity.com. I haven't started playing with it yet myself because we're not there yet but I will soon.
            As an aside, the boglehead thread that I linked I added in on my above post has a comment from The Oblvious Investor (the guy who wrote and maintains Open Social Security) https://obliviousinvestor.com/new-fr...ty-calculator/ regarding a similar situation.

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            • #7
              Sorry to hear of your dad! Sending condolences!

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              • #8
                Living, did your folks have other funds for their retirement or was Social Security the main one? - I hope its not too much of an invasive question.
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                • #9
                  So four different people at social security gave my mom 4 different answers. The moral of this story is keep on pushing until you are happy if you think you are right. My mom was approved to get survivor's benefit. Our thinking is that the people didn't consider my dad's withholdings!!! they actually thought he made a lot less than he did. They thought they were "separated or divorced not widowed" so the benefit was spousal not survivor's benefit.

                  No my mom is set. She has a pension and she has retirement accounts and paid for home. Social security is icing on the cake. But it was frustrating since she did think she would get my dad's benefit!!!
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