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  • Considering an Aggressive Mortgage Payoff

    Hey everyone, I'm looking for your opinions on if I should start aggressively paying off the mortgage on my home-turned-rental property. We moved from Oklahoma to Alaska in October, listed the home as a rental, and are still working to find a tenant for it (slow season). I bought it in Sep 2012 for $177k, $130k mortgage, 15-yr fixed @ 2.75%. Current value is ~$190k, $95k mortgage balance (~$5k ahead of the programmed amortization). P+I $882/mo, T+I ~$290/mo, currently making $1200/mo payments (~$27/mo extra principle).

    We bought another house up here in Alaska (extremely HCOLA), which sapped most of our taxable investments & unallocated cash savings, so I don't have the money on-hand to pay it off outright. However, DW & I are both active duty military officers, and have a very good income stream (~$18k/mo gross), with which we're already maxing Roth IRAs & TSPs for both of us (~$3k/mo), and have ~$2.5k/mo going to a variety of short-term savings goals (vacation, car, maintenance funds for each house, EF, and "general savings").

    What remains of our allocated savings is $2,400/mo for "mid-term goals". Right now, $1200/mo to VTSAX, $400/mo to VTIAX, and $800/mo intended for buying I-Bonds (all in taxable accounts) -- basically, in alignment with my AA for that money. However, I'm considering using [some/most/all?] of this to hopefully pay off the mortgage before our assignment here in Alaska ends in Oct 2019. That would mean ~$2k/mo extra as principle payments, with the remaining $400/mo going to VTSAX/VTIAX.

    The struggle I'm having is deciding if it's worth crippling our taxable investments in order to get rid of the mortgage on the rental house. In the past, I've saved up money in the taxable accounts to build up a downpayment for our next house. I like the idea of acquiring a new property in each location the military sends us, with the intention of renting them out when we move on. If we do pay off the rental, that won't be possible for our next assignment. However, the rental would be paid off and the monthly rent would be 80% profit.

    A twist in all of that thinking for us is the possibility of us both leaving active duty, and transitioning to the National Guard here in Alaska after our current assignment is over, in order to stay here permanently. I could pretty easily line up a full-time Guard job up here, and my wife would likely do part-time Guard. She's pregnant with our second child, and we both want her to be able to spend most of her time at home with them. I feel like if we do THIS, it's in our best interest to pay off the rental quickly -- we'd have lower expenses for when DW went part-time, and since we wouldn't be moving again, building up taxable savings for the next house DP is basically a non-factor. The problem with that line of thinking is that I/we haven't decided if that is, in fact, what we want to do.

    Any suggestions, or other recommendations? My gut says pay it off, my head says take it slow & save in taxable, and DW suggested doing a combination of both (say, $1k/mo to the mortgage, $1400/mo to investments, giving us ~$50k for the next house). I'd really appreciate your perspectives/opinions/advice. Thanks!


    ETA: A few extra details... The rental house is being handled by a property management company. It increases our expenses somewhat, but greatly reduces the stress/strain of being a landlord from afar. But our intention is to hold on to the property for at least the next 5-10 years. Also, our only other debts are our current home's mortgage (another 15-yr fixed @ 2.375%, ~$325k) and a small car loan (3-yr fixed @ 1.9%).
    Last edited by kork13; 12-04-2016, 02:32 PM.

  • #2
    Honestly, my gut would tell me to sell the property, as being a long-distance landlord would be too stressful for me to deal with.

    If I were inclined to keep it, I'd pay it off only after all my other debts were paid off, assuming you have the property rented to long term stable tenants.
    Brian

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    • #3
      If it's an investment property now I would think you want it to pay for itself without putting too much more of your own capital into it.

      Sell, ride out the loan, or chip away at it.

      The right answer is your wife's suggestion

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      • #4
        Investment rental has a greater return if it was debt free. Have you thought about selling it to replenish your taxable account. I'm not a fan of being a long distance andlord personally. Too much headache. You can find property anywhere.

        Consider reducing your taxable investment and pay it off in 3-4 years, or simply just dump it and move on.
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        • #5
          Add me to the list of not wanting to be a long distance landlord.

          That being said, assuming you get a tenant in the property soon I would only pay additional principal from the rental income. 2.75% is cheap money, and I wouldn't divert money from other areas to pay it off early.

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          • #6
            Your rate is 2.75%? Inflation seems poised to exceed that, which means you come out ahead by paying it off as slowly as possible with inflated dollars. It's free money.

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            • #7
              long distance landlord is a bit of an issue.

              I wouldn't be to worried about inflation beating a house @ 2.7% interest. Based off the value you owe on it, I would assume you bought it in the past 3-5 years. Which was at a very low price. So even is the value of the home lists below the current inflation (1.6%), I think you will retain a high market value for your asset.

              I think its more of an investing tolerance. If you choose to put money into your investment property to increase equity and pay off debt, I think it is a sound decision. Especially if you choose to follow the path of investing in real estate over securities.

              I'm probably going to continue paying off my investment property. So I am in a similar boat.

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              • #8
                How long has the OK house been empty? Would you consider lowering the monthly rent for the 1st three months or 1st six months to get it going? My experience as a landlord was fraught with problems and I like [understand] the risk reward ratio of the stock market.

                It all comes down to personal preferences. It is important to develop a long term, 2nd income stream.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by snafu View Post
                  How long has the OK house been empty? Would you consider lowering the monthly rent for the 1st three months or 1st six months to get it going? My experience as a landlord was fraught with problems and I like [understand] the risk reward ratio of the stock market.

                  It all comes down to personal preferences. It is important to develop a long term, 2nd income stream.
                  Yes, that's exactly what we recently did. The house has been vacant for about 2 months now, and our property manager has been suggesting for the last couple weeks a "move in special" of half off for the first month, or first month free for a longer contract. Instead, I instructed them to reduce the rate down $100/mo, which puts it on par with many homes of similar size, but below market for that size with similar quality/features. The difference between the their specials & mine is about $200-$400/year less income, but I think we'll attract tenants better, and for a longer term, with a rental rate that starts and stays lower. I figure that we can slowly raise it up to meet the market over time, presuming we get it rented soon...

                  Part of the struggle right now is the fact that rental markets slow down somewhat in the winter, because nobody wants to move into a new house on Thanksgiving and Christmas.
                  Last edited by kork13; 12-12-2016, 07:54 PM.

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                  • #10
                    If I can borrow money for 6% or less, I'll borrow it for as long as they'll lend it. I can do a multiple better than 6% with my money (much less 2.75%), so I'll take all the banks will lend at the cheap rates and do something productive with it.

                    That said, I would dump that house and buy another one near your new location. Rent it out and let the renters pay the mortgage. Do that a few more times and you're rich in 15 years automatically.

                    I have about $1.2 million in houses that other people are paying off. What a concept. They've already paid off about $550,000. And the funny thing is, I've only invested about $200K of my personal money. The renters are doing all the heavy lifting.

                    No stock market investment can light a candle to real estate.

                    And your greatest return is NOT when it is debt free. To the contrary. Let me explain:

                    In 2005, I purchased a $150,000 home with a $30,000 down payment. I just sold it last year for $170K, but my renters paid off about $40,000 of the place. So I bagged $60,000 in profit after just a $30,000 investment. That's a 200% return.

                    Had I paid cash of $150,000, I would have only achieved around a 100% return, or $150,000. So I would have walked away with $300K total.

                    I'd be far better off taking $150,000, leveraging it to buy 5 houses, and making a 200% return on each. In that case, I walk away with $450,000 instead of the $300,000 by wasting cash.

                    NEVER pay back loans that are sub 6%. You're just giving your leverage to wealth away!

                    Think beyond the talking heads! Think beyond the IRA! Think beyond paying off cheap debt! Think rich!
                    Last edited by TexasHusker; 12-12-2016, 08:24 PM.

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                    • #11
                      Is your house so special to you that you plan on moving back to it at any time? If not, I say sell it. Not because it is far away, but because you can't find a renter. You can find a rental house anywhere. Location isn't an issue if you can find an agent willing to take good care of your rental.

                      Not that I'm being snarky about it. My sister owned a house in Las Vegas while she lived in IL that was special to her and she always wanted to move back to. It wasn't any more of a problem to her than the rental she owned in IL.

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