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    No question, just thought I'd share a recent experience for discussion/contemplation. Yesterday morning my very clumsy pre-teen broke her pinky toe when she snagged it on a dresser while running from the bathroom to her bedroom. This wasn't a small, just tape it together broken toe - it was sticking out at about a 20 degree angle from the rest of her foot and the toenail was facing sideways instead of up (in case you like visuals!). For the first time ever, we did a virtual doc visit, which normally have a $25 copay but are currently free to help curb medical facility congestion. Was super easy, short wait time and was nice to have a "do you think we need to bother the doc with this or should we wait and see" reassurance before heading in. She recommended we go in but said a walk in clinic that has x-ray facilities would be fine. Went to our nearest walk-in clinic only to find that they have shut down their walk in clinics across the metro and instead are redirecting non-emergency patients to their primary care physician or the hospital for emergencies. Since our primary care physician doesn't do x-rays we headed for the hospital. On the drive there, I'm already beginning to calculate the increased cost of this situation knowing I'm now going to have a $500 co-pay instead of $25. X-rays confirm toe is broken and dislocated, they do a numbing injection, attempt to reset it and then recommend we follow up with an orthopedic surgeon next week. This morning, ortho calls and says they looked at the x-rays and they need to see her ASAP today. Take her in ($50 specialist co-pay), they x-ray again and say she needs surgery and it's scheduled for tomorrow morning at 7 at an outpatient surgery center. Appt was 36 minutes long. Tomorrow we'll head in to have a pin inserted ($500 co-pay), in 4 weeks she'll need it removed ($500 co-pay) and after that a final follow up with the ortho ($50 copay) and possibly physical therapy ($50/visit). Overall looking at a minimum of $1,600. For a pinky toe. Feel like it would have been less expensive to remove it (joking).

    Observations
    -This year we were moved from a HDHP to a PPO plan. I like the predictability of the costs. Under my old plan it would have been anyone's guess what our emergency room visit would have cost as we would have not had a day of co-pay but we'd be billed for the visit, the pain meds, the x-rays, the numbing injection, the reset and who knows what else. I'm guessing this PPO is saving us a couple thousand dollars.
    -People being treated for COVID-19 will receive financial relief from treatment expenses, but those being impacted by non-emergency facility closures will not. In our case, being forced to go to the emergency room cost us an extra $475. I'm thankful we can afford that unplanned cost, as I imagine there are many who can't.
    -I'd much rather have taken DD to a walk in clinic not treating COVID patients than to have to go to the hospital. While I realize hospitals are being extra cautious, it just seemed unnecessary from a time and cost perspective. Spent 3.5 hours at the ER for this whole process yesterday.
    -I wonder if the staff from these closed facilities have been redeployed to support the increased traffic at the hospital facilities. From our visit, we only encountered 4 staff during our visit - receptionist, first lady who checked us in, our RN and the doc. There was no one in the waiting room and we did not see any other patients in the facility while we were there.

  • #2
    Originally posted by riverwed070707 View Post
    -People being treated for COVID-19 will receive financial relief from treatment expenses,
    According to who? Don't listen to POTUS. Nothing he says is true. He keeps saying COVID testing is free, but even that isn't true. And treatment certainly isn't free.

    One of many reasons why this epidemic will be worse than it could have been is because the US doesn't yet have universal health care like the rest of the developed world. Folks who were already uninsured may not be able to afford going to get checked out and tested. And the millions of people losing their jobs are also, in many cases, losing their insurance since our system ties insurance to employment. So the swelling of the ranks of the unemployed will simultaneously swell the number of uninsured Americans.

    If folks are unemployed and uninsured, how likely do you think they are to seek treatment if they get sick until it gets really serious?
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    • #3
      Originally posted by riverwed070707 View Post
      -I wonder if the staff from these closed facilities have been redeployed to support the increased traffic at the hospital facilities.
      It depends. If they had other places to put them, they probably did, but there have been plenty of lay offs in the healthcare realm also. I know our system has reduced staff and reduced hours in many places. Some staff had hours cut so they are still working in a reduced capacity and have been able to file for partial unemployment benefits to make up the difference. The nice thing with that is they only cut them from 40 to 28 hours which allows them to keep their full benefits and not lose health insurance.
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      • #4
        That rings a bell. My son broke a metacarpal and was able to be seen in an urgent care that had imaging and could do a temporary cast. About three days later he saw an orthopedist who gave it a more permanent cast and told him that usually an injury such as his will need surgery. That was when his state made some kind of mandate to stop "elective" surgeries (with further details of that to be worked out locally rather than at the state level). A return appointment with the ortho revealed that he would not need surgery. He really lucked out with getting the care he needed in a quick and uncomplicated fashion. That saved him money, no doubt.

        But your story is another example of how emergencies have a way of costing us in ways we have no way of anticipating.
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        • #5
          https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...ff/5102320002/ Here's an article from today about how many healthcare workers are losing jobs due to COVID.
          Steve

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          • #6
            Originally posted by disneysteve View Post

            It depends. If they had other places to put them, they probably did, but there have been plenty of lay offs in the healthcare realm also. I know our system has reduced staff and reduced hours in many places. Some staff had hours cut so they are still working in a reduced capacity and have been able to file for partial unemployment benefits to make up the difference. The nice thing with that is they only cut them from 40 to 28 hours which allows them to keep their full benefits and not lose health insurance.
            That makes sense but is unfortunate. Given the call for medical personnel assistance from Gov. Cuomo it would be nice to see mutual support opportunities for those laid off in their own communities. Obviously moving to NY isn't feasible for everyone but seems like an untapped resource for those that do have the flexibility.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by riverwed070707 View Post

              That makes sense but is unfortunate. Given the call for medical personnel assistance from Gov. Cuomo it would be nice to see mutual support opportunities for those laid off in their own communities. Obviously moving to NY isn't feasible for everyone but seems like an untapped resource for those that do have the flexibility.
              There are logistical and legal/licensing issues to overcome. They have done emergency waivers of certain rules and regulations to allow people to work who otherwise couldn't, so they are working on this.
              Steve

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              • #8
                Originally posted by disneysteve View Post

                According to who? Don't listen to POTUS. Nothing he says is true. He keeps saying COVID testing is free, but even that isn't true. And treatment certainly isn't free.

                One of many reasons why this epidemic will be worse than it could have been is because the US doesn't yet have universal health care like the rest of the developed world. Folks who were already uninsured may not be able to afford going to get checked out and tested. And the millions of people losing their jobs are also, in many cases, losing their insurance since our system ties insurance to employment. So the swelling of the ranks of the unemployed will simultaneously swell the number of uninsured Americans.

                If folks are unemployed and uninsured, how likely do you think they are to seek treatment if they get sick until it gets really serious?

                I thought we weren't talking politics here?

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                • #9
                  I had a medical experience during all this that I wouldn't mind going forward. I had a cold, then a sinus infection. I emailed my doctor's office. They called me & made a tele-call appointment for the next morning. I was called at my appointment time, so I did not have to go to sick call, sit around sick people, and wait my turn which could be an hour later. It was super convenient and much quicker than the old way.

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                  • #10
                    We saw our daughter today in her parking lot of her apartment. She is a college senior graduating with a nursing degree. She works at a hospital as an aid, she worked last night on the covid floor.

                    We basically dropped a care package on her sidewalk and talked to her from the parking lot in our car. She said she will be able to start work in May as a nurse after she graduates. She doesn't even have to wait to take her boards, they need these nurses to work now. They will take their boards when this has passed. She's already had an interview yesterday and a 2nd tomorrow, I'm sure she'll get the job.

                    I guess as a mom, I'm like what!! I didn't think I'd have to worry about her in this pandemic. I figured she has to take her boards in July so she probably won't start working till August and hopefully the worst is past. I guess I'm just surprised they're going to get to start working. Here we were freaking that they'd delay graduation because they didn't get in all their clinical hours or shadowing and now they'll be working, yikes! She's fine with it, excited even.

                    She saw something on social media that NY was recruiting nurses and paying them $100/hour and all travel, living and food expenses and wished she could go. I'm glad she CAN'T!

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                    • #11
                      A number of places are licensing doctors and nurses who aren’t quite finished training to get them in the field ASAP.

                      This situation is bad. Like seriously, apocalyptically bad. Everyone who thinks the media is just blowing it out of proportion doesn’t comprehend what is actually happening.
                      Steve

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by disneysteve View Post
                        A number of places are licensing doctors and nurses who aren’t quite finished training to get them in the field ASAP.

                        This situation is bad. Like seriously, apocalyptically bad. Everyone who thinks the media is just blowing it out of proportion doesn’t comprehend what is actually happening.
                        DisneySteve - can you unpack that for those who may not get how bad it really is?
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by disneysteve View Post

                          According to who? Don't listen to POTUS. Nothing he says is true. He keeps saying COVID testing is free, but even that isn't true. And treatment certainly isn't free.

                          One of many reasons why this epidemic will be worse than it could have been is because the US doesn't yet have universal health care like the rest of the developed world. Folks who were already uninsured may not be able to afford going to get checked out and tested. And the millions of people losing their jobs are also, in many cases, losing their insurance since our system ties insurance to employment. So the swelling of the ranks of the unemployed will simultaneously swell the number of uninsured Americans.

                          If folks are unemployed and uninsured, how likely do you think they are to seek treatment if they get sick until it gets really serious?
                          I missed this earlier. Interesting. My state’s Gov is a Trump puppet but I’ve definitely heard her say on multiple occasions that the cost of testing and treatment is free. I guess I didn’t go into further research.

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                          • #14
                            How terrifying Thrif-t! Nothing like being launched into the having to let them grow up part of parenting. Can’t imagine starting in the medical field in the middle of this

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by riverwed070707 View Post

                              I missed this earlier. Interesting. My state’s Gov is a Trump puppet but I’ve definitely heard her say on multiple occasions that the cost of testing and treatment is free. I guess I didn’t go into further research.
                              Yeah, as with so many things the government says, the devil is in the details.

                              The cost of a test is supposed to be free. That itself is questionable in reality, but let's say you come into see me at urgent care because you're concerned you might have COVID. I do a full evaluation and determine you don't meet the criteria to get a COVID test. That urgent care visit is $170 (or whatever your insurance pays). Since it didn't result in a COVID test, it isn't covered by the policy.

                              If I do refer you for a COVID test, our testing site may or may not be in your insurance company's network. If it's not, you'll be responsible for that bill. If it is, your plan will pay what they consider a "reasonable" charge. If the actual charge is higher, you may be responsible for the difference.

                              If you're among the millions of uninsured, a number that is growing rapidly due to rising unemployment, you might be able to get a free test or you might not. Plus, as noted, you might have to pay for the evaluation to see if you even qualify to be tested.

                              There are more layers to that story but that's the big picture version. So no, when Trump or your governor says testing and treatment are free, don't believe it.
                              Steve

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                              * Why should I pay for my daughter's education when she already knows everything?
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