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  • Are Credit Card Rewards Worth the Risk?

    If you spend any time at all in a discount shopper online forum, like Reddit’s Frugal forum, it won’t be long until you run across a credit card cash back rewards cheerleader. They’re the people who boast about getting a $500 to $1,500 check from the credit card company every year, or brag about the fabulous trips they take with mileage points.

    It’s human nature to be tempted by anything that seems free — and there’s nothing more appealing than than free money. The truth is credit card rewards are to your personal finances what bait is to fishing, a means to get people hooked on using plastic. Financial responsibility guru Dave Ramsey says when you use credit cards you don’t “feel” the money leaving your hand. On average people will spend 47% more when using credit cards than they do paying cash.

    Casino Math

    Casinos understand human nature quite well, and that’s why most casinos offer gambling customers “free” drinks, meals, and hotel rooms. Those freebies, called “comps,” keep gamblers at the tables and slot machines where, after a while, those free drinks start becoming very expensive. They’re also counting on customers practicing “casino math” to brag about winning a $100. What gamblers overlook is the amount of money they put in to winning that $100. If they spent $40 in a slot machine to win $100, they’re only up $60, not $100. If a patron keeps gambling after winning that $100, that loss also comes off the “winning” total. Credit card companies also operate on casino math, knowing few people will actually look very hard at the real numbers.

    Banks Play the Odds

    Banks and credit card companies offer rewards and cash back for the same reason casinos offer free food; it keeps people who think they can beat the system coming back. The sad reality is credit card rewards are more like commuting to work through a minefield every day. The credit card companies know that a certain percentage of people will stumble on the path of financial responsibility, and end up carrying a balance or miss a payment. When consumers do miss a payment or carry a balance, all those “rewards” disappear in a blast of late fees and added interest. According to Gallup, credit card rewards programs are a mistake for nearly 60% of consumers.

    Know thy Enemy

    It’s really amazing the number of people who think they can beat casinos and credit card companies; they’re multi-billion dollar industries with the best information on human behavior money can buy. You’re also playing the bank’s game, with their rules on their turf; anyone who thinks they can go one-on-one with a giant corporation and win has delusions of grandeur. The “winners” bragging in consumer forums either beat the odds, or they’re being paid to post; either way it’s a bad deal for you.

    Analyzing the True Cost

    Next time someone brags about the “free” trip they got with their reward miles, ask them a few clarifying questions. Did the cost of the ticket include baggage fees and airport taxes? Were the hotel, meals and entertainment included in the cost of the trip? What about the cost of the rental car? When you carefully analyze the cost of travel, it turns out airfare is one of the marginal expenses. According to Priceline.com, the average domestic airfare in 2013 was $375. Counting the cost of a rental car, let’s say $45 a day with taxes, that leaves $335 for hotel, entertainment, and meals. You can have a big time on that kind of money in a place like North Platte, Nebraska, but anywhere else $335 isn’t going that far. That means you’re skimping on the hotel and meals, or foregoing much in the way of entertainment. If you want to stay at nice places, eat at nice restaurants, and have some money left over for entertainment, you’re going to need a bigger budget. If you add up all the ancillary costs of travel, most of the time you’ll discover that the airfare to get there was not a major component of the cost of a vacation.

    It’s possible to fly, stay at hotels, and buy gas all without using credit cards; millions of people do it everyday. It’s necessary to keep a closer eye on your accounts and carry enough of a balance in case a gas station or hotel adds a “monetary block”, a temporary $50 to $100 hold on funds, to your bill. We’ve traveled all over the country and never had problem buying airline tickets, staying anywhere or gotten stuck with a disputed bill because we used a debit card instead of a credit card. There’s a lot of peace of mind not walking through that financial minefield every month and being fiscally responsible is its own reward.


    -Redtea
    Independent News for the Right-Minded American
    Last edited by disneysteve; 03-14-2014, 11:42 AM. Reason: link posting violation

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    Well, I enjoy the tax-free rewards I earn. I use them to chip away at my mortgage. The key is to not buy things you would not buy anyway. For example, most utility and insurance companies accept credit cards as payment with no additional surcharge. I'm going to pay my water bill and car insurance regardless, may as well earn some rewards while I am at it.

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    • #3
      Are you just re posting all your blog posts here?

      Rewards cards don't make me spend more money than I would spend otherwise.

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      • #4
        Building backlinks, looks like.

        I don't get the "free trip" example at all. First, I don't know anyone who says "free trip" if they only get a free flight. Second, even if it's just free airfare, that's $375 they would otherwise have spent on a plane ticket. (Very few people I know go on a trip just because they have a free flight; they were all planning on taking the trip, and used the rewards miles to decrease the expense.)

        I haven't paid to see a movie (or for concessions) in probably 10 years, because I use my rewards points to buy gift cards. I've gotten water pitchers (filtered), restaurant gift cards, a TV and a vacuum cleaner totally free by using credit card rewards. (For a while I got rewards on my debit card (Visa check card), actually, so there wasn't even the risk of carrying a balance.) This year I'm using the rewards to pay for our birthday and Christmas shopping -- I'm already 1/3 of the way there and the February rewards haven't even hit yet.

        Sure, the risk of credit card rewards is the same as the risk of using credit cards at all -- carrying a balance and paying interest. If you can use credit responsibly, though, the rewards are gravy and well worth the (essentially non-existent) risk.

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        • #5
          redtea, different people are listed as the authors of the articles you are posting here. Are you the original publisher? Are you personally the author[s] named at the original site where these are published?...This just feels a little weird encountering here several articles from the website eponymous to your user name here.

          Jeffrey and board monitors, there is no partnership with the other website, is there? Years ago, I was confused about the relationship with pfadvice.com. Would like to understand.
          "There is some ontological doubt as to whether it may even be possible in principle to nail down these things in the universe we're given to study." --text msg from my kid

          "It is easier to build strong children than to repair broken men." --Frederick Douglass

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Joan.of.the.Arch View Post
            Jeffrey and board monitors, there is no partnership with the other website, is there? Years ago, I was confused about the relationship with pfadvice.com. Would like to understand.
            No, there isn't a partnership. The forum rules are that if you have something that you want to share from your blog/site, you should post the whole article here instead of just a link. I have run searches some of the articles all all appear to be original from rednews (not taken from other sites), so these are in compliance with our rules.

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            • #7
              tl;dr...just browsed through it.

              You tell me if cc rewards are worth it...Wife and I just received $1100 in gift cards today for spending $3k on 2 different credit cards. We didnt spend more than I normally would.

              Are credit card rewards worth it?? What a silly thing to write about.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by BuckyBadger View Post
                Rewards cards don't make me spend more money than I would spend otherwise.
                Originally posted by rennigade View Post
                We didnt spend more than I normally would.

                Are credit card rewards worth it?? What a silly thing to write about.
                I agree. This post is inane, but the poster seems to just be regurgitating material from some other site.

                Comparing credit card rewards to casinos is especially ridiculous. Talk about apples and oranges. The two have absolutely nothing to do with each other.

                The price of goods and services I buy is in no way affected by my method of payment. A gallon of gas is the same price but if I use my Chase card, I get 5% cash back. How could that possibly be a bad thing? My auto insurance premium is fixed but by charging it to my Marriott card, I earn points toward free hotel stays. Just last weekend, we spent 2 nights at a nice Courtyard near my daughter's college for free. The same for everything else we charge: bills, groceries, travel, dining, etc. We're not spending a penny more and we're getting 1-5% back, sometimes more.
                Steve

                * Despite the high cost of living, it remains very popular.
                * Why should I pay for my daughter's education when she already knows everything?
                * There are no shortcuts to anywhere worth going.

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                • #9
                  Cashback Benefits

                  I use a card that provides benefits when I buy daily grocery, gas, travel, entertainment, etc. It adds up. I keep some of the money that would otherwise be gone - to re-spend, or whatever you can do with cash in your pocket. Is that good? You bet!

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by redtea View Post
                    If you spend any time at all in a discount shopper online forum, like Reddit’s Frugal forum, it won’t be long until you run across a credit card cash back rewards cheerleader. They’re the people who boast about getting a $500 to $1,500 check from the credit card company every year, or brag about the fabulous trips they take with mileage points.

                    It’s human nature to be tempted by anything that seems free — and there’s nothing more appealing than than free money. The truth is credit card rewards are to your personal finances what bait is to fishing, a means to get people hooked on using plastic. Financial responsibility guru Dave Ramsey says when you use credit cards you don’t “feel” the money leaving your hand. On average people will spend 47% more when using credit cards than they do paying cash.
                    Like others we use credit cards to buy things we’d normally buy: groceries, gas, bills, etc. We enjoy rewards for both cashback (Discover) and mileage (Citi Mastercard AA).


                    Like others we use credit cards to buy things we’d normally buy: groceries, gas, bills, etc. We enjoy rewards for both cashback (Discover) and mileage (Citi MasterCard AA).

                    We get rewards cards for shopping companies (JCPenney, GAP, Old Navy, CVS, etc.), Entertainment (AMC, Groupon, Barnes & Noble, etc.), Restaurants (Olive Garden, Applebee’s, Boston Market, Macaroni Grill, etc.), along with other options…

                    Dave Ramsey says a lot of things. Some of it is good and some of it is not so good. He has great advice about getting out of debt and the 7 babys steps are good pieces of advice (emergency fund, budgeting, debt snowball, invest 15% towards retirement, save for kids college, pay off home early, build wealth and give...). Not so much on credit cards.

                    Let me explain. The issue is DR assumes that everyone who uses credit cards is not disciplined with money and will carry a balance. People who can’t handle money well (those who carry a balance or treat a credit card like an emergency safety blanket) shouldn’t have credit cards.

                    We got about $500-600 in cashback rewards alone. That's not considering the mileage we racked up.

                    What do you think of my thoughts above and what has been shared by others on this thread?
                    Last edited by Eagle; 03-17-2014, 01:20 PM. Reason: spelling
                    ~ Eagle

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                    • #11
                      We got $1300 cash back from rewards last year. We just buy things we normally buy and pay in full. I see no risk.

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                      • #12
                        I wonder if OP will ever come back.
                        Steve

                        * Despite the high cost of living, it remains very popular.
                        * Why should I pay for my daughter's education when she already knows everything?
                        * There are no shortcuts to anywhere worth going.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by disneysteve View Post
                          I wonder if OP will ever come back.
                          13 posts and 9 of them were new threads... I find it unlikely...
                          ~ Eagle

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                          • #14
                            You all have your own opinions...and I have mine. I respect all of your feedback though, so thank you.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by redtea View Post
                              You all have your own opinions...and I have mine. I respect all of your feedback though, so thank you.
                              I appreciate that you checked back in. I'm curious what your thoughts are on all of the responses. Do you think we are all wrong or delusional? Or can we agree that some people can use credit responsibly and others can't. I've often posted on this site advising certain people to get rid of their credit cards because they had demonstrated that they could not use them properly. For others, though, I've posted just the opposite and talked about maximizing rewards and such. It all depends on the individual. You just can't make a blanket statement that credit cards are bad and nobody should use them (like Dave Ramsey).
                              Steve

                              * Despite the high cost of living, it remains very popular.
                              * Why should I pay for my daughter's education when she already knows everything?
                              * There are no shortcuts to anywhere worth going.

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