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    I spoke with my boss today, and my bonus will be paid in May. The bonus is paid based on performance, and I've looked at the numbers. The check should be significant, as in "more than my annual base pay." This leaves me with the problem of having a lump sum to invest right when the market is peaking, assuming the present run-up continues more or less.

    I'm stuck with the question of dollar-cost-averaging the lump sum over seven to eight months or dumping it all into the market immediately. It basically becomes a question of "will the market correct soon or will the market continue its rise?" There's also the question of bonds, which I admittedly don't understand as an investment vehicle, so I will probably stay away from bond funds altogether. If you know somewhere online I can read about bonds and bond funds, I'd be obliged if you'd let me know. My learning mode is reading, so as long as the information is clear and correct, I'd probably be able to understand it.

    I will use some of the bonus to pay off my mortgage; the mortgage pay-off is within reach even without the bonus. The rest will go toward investments; I have no non-mortgage debt and no significant monthly bills. I prefer market index funds and I already have several Vanguard accounts set up. I have enough in my various checking accounts that I'm not concerned with an actual "dedicated" emergency fund.

    The bonus will put Roth's out of reach this year. I should be able to put as much as I want into a traditional IRA, because we have no retirement plan over here. The way I read the rules, I'm able to contribute up to my taxable income to an IRA. That will leave a lot for after-tax as well, since I get the foreign-earned-income credit which significantly cuts my AGI.

    Assume a 20 year window to retirement (if I ever actually retire) and an extremely high tolerance for risk, long term. I would hate, though, to lose 20% of my cash three days after investing it. Heck, I'd hate to lose 20% three years after investing it, but that's when you buy more if you think about the adage "buy low, sell high." If I've put my whole bonus in, though, I won't be able to "buy more" immediately. Note I'm not trying to time the market. The only question is "DCA or not with my bonus?"

    What would be your strategy with a very large amount of cash in-hand? I've only today started to consider my options, so I'd hate to leave something out of consideration. Not including the bonus, I'll still have monthly contributions available of several thousand dollars; even without DCA, I can still "buy low" but only over an extended period of time. In other words, my monthly deposits are themselves a form of dollar-cost-averaging. The only real difference is "how much of the sum to deposit immediately."

    I will use some money to buy another house when I return to the US. I don't see any real issues in this regard beyond putting too much in a traditional IRA instead of after-tax index funds. I'll work those numbers in Excel.

    I am open to any suggestions for consideration.

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    Congrats on your bonus.

    If you're looking for a place to learn more about bonds and bond funds, I suggest MorningStar's investing classroom. http://www.morningstar.com/cover/Classroom.html

    If you're uncomfortable investing a large lump sum, then take your time and invest slowly and systematically.

    IRAs have annual contribution limits. For 2012, the limit was 5k, an additional 1k for those aged 50 and over. You can contribute to your own IRA and to your wife's (provided you file jointly). Also, you have until 4/15/13 to contribute for 2012.

    For 2013, you can contribute 5.5k, an additional 1k for those aged 50 and over.

    The annual limit is why it is so important to make a contribution every year. Once 4/15/13 rolls around, the opportunity to contribute for 2012 is gone forever.

    Since you won't be able to deduct your contributions, you should strongly consider immediately converting to Roths. If you have no deductible contributions already sitting in traditional IRAs, SEP IRAs, or Simple IRAs, there really isn't much to consider. Just do it.

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    • #3
      For 2012, the limit was 5k, an additional 1k for those aged 50 and over.
      You're right, Petunia. I read it wrong. It says "the smaller of" my taxable income and $5500... bummer. I see no reason to put any in a traditional IRA for those amounts. The extra paperwork doesn't seem like it will be worth the effort. I might as well put it into taxable funds and have access to it even if I'm not yet 59.5.

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      • #4
        I think you should do it, Wino. For both you and your wife, then immediately convert to Roths. Tax free withdrawals at some point. No required minimum distributions ever. And if you and your wife don't spend them, they go to your heirs, and they aren't part of your estate.

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        • #5
          Ah... the "back door" Roth. I've read about it, but it seems this year I may actually need to do it. I guess it's back to there. PS... reading the morningstar site now.

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