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  • Living in Limbo

    We need some objective advice and creative thinking.

    We are a married couple both 56 years old. Pam is not working full time outside the home, but just finished five weeks of working part time for the Census.

    Tom is an executive with a huge international corporation. In the fall of 2009, Tom was asked to relocate from New England to Atlanta to take a job in another division of the corporation.

    As Tom was driving to Atlanta for his move (Pam came two months later), he received a phone call from his new CEO informing him that the company he was relocating for was just put up for sale. Thus begins our tale of "living in limbo".

    A generous relocation package is in place until September 2010. It pays for our temporary living expenses in Atlanta while waiting for our New England house to sell. They have extended the payments twice to help us out in the slow real estate market, but they say they will not pay our rent or utilities here after August 2010.

    Tom is just one pay grade below the level where the company would buy our New England house outright. We have a guaranteed sale so that, as soon as we accept an offer on the house, the relocation consulting company will take over the sale. Closing costs on the sale of the New England house and a new Atlanta house will be covered by the relocation program, until it ends in September.

    We built the New England home six years ago. We owe $375k on two mortgages with Bank of America. The first mortgage is $307k at 5.75%. The HELOC is $68k at 6.375%. We listed the home for sale at $389k and had no interest. We have lowered the price to $365k and still have no action. Tom's employer has agreed to make up $25,000 toward paying off the mortgages. That means we would have to sell the home for $350k to come out even.

    The realtor tells us that there is a 16 to 18 month inventory of houses on the market in our price range. The only comparable houses that have recently sold in the area were under $340k for a final sale price. Those few homes have amenities that ours does not, making ours less valuable.

    We have been preapproved for a mortgage to buy a home in Atlanta. We have not acted on this, however, due to the great unknowns about whether Tom will have a job with the new owners of the company.

    Here is where we need some advice.

    Tom thinks we should try to find a renter for the New England house, even if we have to make up $1200 to $1500 a month to pay the mortgages. He thinks we should possibly refinance at a lower interest rate and continue paying the mortgage until the real estate market recovers and we can sell at a better price. Tom thinks Pam should try to find a full time job that will pay the New England mortgage short fall until we can sell the house at a price that will pay off the mortgage. He thinks we should continue renting in Atlanta.

    Pam thinks we should drop the price to $325k for a quick sale, making up the $25k difference with a loan from our 401k, taking advantage of the $25k sale price assistance from Tom's employer and the closing cost relo benefit which will amount to $20k. She also thinks they should buy a house in Atlanta, using the second closing cost benefit, before it all ends in September.

    Obviously, we do not qualify for a hardship modification. For tax deductions, we really do need a mortgage. Tom does not want to dip into the 401k. Pam does not think it makes sense to walk away from the relocation benefits, because we will have to make up that $65k ourselves at some later date.

    Tom's old job in New England is gone and there does not appear to be anything for him back there at his old division. The job market in the northeast is not as good as in Atlanta. Not to mention the weather . . . we would like to stay here. What advice can you give us to help us make a decision on how to stop "living in limbo."

    With much gratitude,
    Tom and Pam

  • #2
    Originally posted by Living in Limbo View Post
    Tom thinks we should try to find a renter for the New England house, even if we have to make up $1200 to $1500 a month to pay the mortgages.

    Pam thinks we should drop the price to $325k for a quick sale, making up the $25k difference with a loan from our 401k, taking advantage of the $25k sale price assistance from Tom's employer and the closing cost relo benefit which will amount to $20k.
    Welcome.

    If you rent at a monthly loss of $1,500, that is $18,000 for the year plus the added costs of being a landlord, especially from out of town, so keeping the house will likely cost you a minimum of $20,000 in the first year. It makes a lot more sense to drop the price $20,000 and get rid of it.

    Whether or not you should then buy in Atlanta really depends on your overall financial situation and stability of Tom's new job. I think I would lean toward renting until I was pretty sure that the job was going to be a good fit and be around for a while.
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    • #3
      Do not rent at a loss if you would sell at a loss anyways.

      There is something to be said for getting out of house A if you live in city B with house B.

      Simplicity is sell the house.
      When you buy the next one, put 20-40% down and prevent this from happening again.

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      • #4
        If I am reading between the lines correctly, you don't have any cash available for down payment or to cover the shortfall on your home. Is that correct?

        I'd say that you should not be purchasing a home in Atlanta for several reasons:
        1. Rent a place for less and save money until you are able to come up with 20% down (or more)payment on a new place in Atlanta.
        2. Rent because Tom's employment is up in the air. At the moment he's employed, but what happens if the new buyer comes in and eliminates his position?
        3. Pam should get a job to help with #1 & #2.

        Paying interest on a house just for the tax deduction, doesn't make sense. You'll pay more in interest than you'll get in a deduction. Go for a rental, I'm assuming it will have a lower monthly payment and no maintenance costs.

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        • #5
          Have Pam get a job to save for a downpayment in Atlanta and pay for getting out of the house in New England.
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          • #6
            I agree with the many above, sell the New England house for less and rent until you have sufficient down payment and job security. Like being under water with an car, you have to make up the difference.

            And no, you do not need an mortgage for a tax deduction, just rent cheaper. Clearing your debts and saving funds for an proper emergency fund and down payment are your primary concerns.

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            • #7
              limbo

              most teenager live in limbo now. they dont realize that for their future economy will be hard. and their children will suffer more.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by maat55 View Post
                I agree with the many above, sell the New England house for less and rent until you have sufficient down payment and job security.
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                • #9
                  Pam needs to get a job. Toms job is unstable and could end. If his job stays, her income could be used for the house, if his job ends, she could support them till he gets a new one.

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