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  • Anyone see Oprah with Suze Orman today?

    Did anyone else catch Oprah today (Wednesday)? She featured two couples whose spending and debt are totally out of control, the first couple much more than the second.

    First couple: He earns $100,000. She is a SAHM to 6 kids. They live in high COL California. She likes to shop for herself and the kids. She'll buy new clothes, keep them for a couple of months, then sell them for next to nothing at one of her 4 annual yard sales. Then she'll go out and buy more clothes. So the kids always seem to have new clothes, but at any given time only have a handful of outfits in their closet.

    In the video, she admitted she didn't know how much debt she had accumulated but finally figured it out and came up with 50K in CC debt. Then Suze came along. She reviewed EVERY bill they had and informed the couple that it wasn't 50K in debt. It was 135K! In addition, they owe $658,000 on their home on a negative amortization loan that grows by 20K/year. They have zero equity. The payment is $1,800/month and is about to reset to $3,300/month. They have 3 cars, 2 are leased, with monthly payments of $1,700. They have no life insurance and no health insurance. One child has some neurologic disease and is supposed to get annual MRIs but hasn't had one for a couple of years. Another has teeth that are all rotting but they haven't seen a dentist for ages. Oh, and they are now 2 weeks late on their mortgage payment.

    Suze said in all her years of doing what she does, this was the worst case she had ever seen. She said the couple needs to put their house on the market immediately before they lose it. The wife has to get a job. Suze suggested Starbucks because they provide insurance for part time workers. Suze also said they need to leave California and suggested they move to Seattle. The husband does IT work and that is available there and the wife could still work for Starbucks. She said to get $1 million policy on husband and health insurance for all.

    The 2nd couple wasn't nearly as bad. They were a young couple in NYC expecting their first child. They owe over $200,000 in student loans and earn about $145,000 I think (might have been higher). But they each drive a Lexus, the guy collects DVDs and has over 900 of them. The wife has closets full of designer handbags and expensive shoes. She showed one pair that she recently bought for $900 even though the baby furniture is on lay-away and she doesn't have the money to pay it off.

    Suze's advice for them was all common sense stuff that we'd suggest here, too. Sell the DVDs and handbags. Sell the cars and get more reasonable ones. Stop dodging the student loan collectors because the private loans compound and are non-bankruptable. And start making family a priority over things.

    I think the 2nd couple will do fine. I'm not so sure about the first couple.
    Steve

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  • #2
    I think they are both a mess. Typical americans who are financially uneducated and self indulgent.

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    • #3
      Glad we are teaching the important stuff in schools nowadays also. All the "report cards" were out this week in our city paper with the scores on profeciency tests, etc... for each school system and each subject. To me, basic financial knowledge is just as important, if not more important than the 3 r's. This just shows that there are a heck of a lot of smart people that are financially ignorant. Rarely do we see Oprah do a special on Americans that don't know their history. There are no Suze Orman's or Dave Ramsey's out there for people that just can't figure out their foreign language or science knowledge.

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      • #4
        I cannot fathom how people can let themselves get there.

        I remember when I was first beginning living on my own. I bought a computer and carried a $650 balance on my credit card and paid it over like 2 months once. I was freaking out about it. How people just pile it on is amazing to me...

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        • #5
          I wish i had seen it. Im annoyed i missed it.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by maat55 View Post
            I think they are both a mess. Typical americans who are financially uneducated and self indulgent.
            I think I just threw up a little in my mouth.

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            • #7
              It's a rerun. I believe the first couple, the man ignored his wife's spending. And then she just kept buying stuff.

              The second couple weren't used to making that sort of money coming out of school.

              I think when they did updates the second couple had paid off a ton of debt and were doing much better. They just needed to get their bearings after coming out being starving students to well rich.

              The first family I think was in trouble still.
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              • #8
                I did not see the program, but from DS's description it sounds kind of like both these couples have mental health problems. I guess when I say "that's insane behavior," I kinda mean it.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by LivingAlmostLarge View Post
                  It's a rerun. I believe the first couple, the man ignored his wife's spending. And then she just kept buying stuff.

                  The second couple weren't used to making that sort of money coming out of school.

                  I think when they did updates the second couple had paid off a ton of debt and were doing much better. They just needed to get their bearings after coming out being starving students to well rich.

                  The first family I think was in trouble still.
                  I didn't realize it was a repeat until I went to the Oprah message board's last night. It originally aired in October.

                  I'm not surprised to hear of the follow-up. That is exactly what I would expect to hear.

                  The wife in the first couple was also spending $300-400/month at Starbucks, a ton of money each week on tanning and having her nails done, thousands of dollars getting murals painted in every room of the house, something like $6,000 on silk flowers to decorate the house and more.
                  Originally posted by Joan.of.the.Arch View Post
                  I did not see the program, but from DS's description it sounds kind of like both these couples have mental health problems. I guess when I say "that's insane behavior," I kinda mean it.
                  I agree. I do think there are almost always mental health issues at work in cases like this. It just isn't a normal thing to do to buy new clothes and then sell them all 2 months later and buy more. Watching your kids' teeth rot away while you are spending thousands on silk flowers just isn't normal. Someone doing that isn't right in the head and needs professional help.
                  Steve

                  * Despite the high cost of living, it remains very popular.
                  * Why should I pay for my daughter's education when she already knows everything?
                  * There are no shortcuts to anywhere worth going.

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                  • #10
                    Gosh, I wish I had seen it too. I have to agree with disneysteve, they do need professional help.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by disneysteve View Post

                      First couple: He earns $100,000. She is a SAHM to 6 kids. They live in high COL California. She likes to shop for herself and the kids.

                      Then Suze came along. She reviewed EVERY bill they had and informed the couple that it wasn't 50K in debt. It was 135K! In addition, they owe $658,000 on their home on a negative amortization loan that grows by 20K/year. They have zero equity. The payment is $1,800/month and is about to reset to $3,300/month. They have 3 cars, 2 are leased, with monthly payments of $1,700.
                      I am confused here! It seems much bigger issue than spending beyond their means. I live in high COL in CA and I know that 100k income for one household does not go very far(especially if you have a mortgage).

                      Our household total income is somewhat higher than that and we do not qualify for a 658,000 loan based on income. $3,300 mortgage payment compares to a 30 year loan for a mortgage that is around 470k with around 7.5% interest so whatever type of loan they have seems beyond shady.

                      They somehow must have qualified for high amount credit line and qualify to lease and buy 3 cars even though they seem to have high debt to income ratio. Where do they come up with the money to shop all the time and and stuff?

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                      • #12
                        Do you ever wonder what % of America is in a similar situation? I know people like this. It's sad.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Gruntina View Post
                          Our household total income is somewhat higher than that and we do not qualify for a 658,000 loan based on income.
                          I don't know the details, but they said it is a negative amortized loan so the principal balance increases by $20,000/year, so it was probably less than that when they first took it out. And there is more than one loan on the house and zero equity, so they probably borrowed against what equity they once had.
                          Steve

                          * Despite the high cost of living, it remains very popular.
                          * Why should I pay for my daughter's education when she already knows everything?
                          * There are no shortcuts to anywhere worth going.

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                          • #14
                            Well they are extremes and not average. These are the people skewing the CC debt average numbers. Since 25% Americans don't have CC, and 35% pay in full every month, then 40% have CC balances. Of those about 80% owe less than $5k or something, but the 20% owe way, way, way more skewing the average. Making the Average American CC debt isn't it $8k. So to get a number that high from such a smaller percentage of the populations, well you can imagine the numbers.
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                            • #15
                              livingalmostlarge, I was about to raise my hand and say my family is responsible for those inflated numbers. Then I checked my balances and, if I don't count a personal loan with Capital One and a loan from my dad, our average debt per person is $7278! Wow--I'm under the average for the first time in probably eight years!!!

                              I wonder if that Oprah will run again...I'd like to see it.

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