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    Okay our Ford Focus is needing a lot of work. Sigh, 70k miles on a 2000 car and more repairs. We couldn't afford to get out of it before, but now we can. Suggeted by two different places, we need to do the water pump, timing belt, probably the clutch, the gas gauge, the radiator fluid. All in all it's getting close to $3k and the car is worth $4-5k.

    Now it doesn't need to be done instantaneously, but it will need work in the next year. I'd like to consider dumping this car and instead buying another used car in the $4-5k range. What I'm looking at are 97-98 subaru wagons. We could use the AWD and they are known to be reliable cars.

    Now more about the Focus, we have totally redone the car twice. One someone smashed into us, and once DH hit someone else. Even with that we have had to replace the spark plugs, retune/clean the engine because the spark plugs were misfiring @ 30k miles, replace the brakes/rotors at 24k miles (we were told this is not unusual with fords), replace the gas pump, replace the steering column, and the door locks are starting stick as well as the hatch door lock doesn't shut well. Also two rims are bent (DH's fault).

    Now I realize we're pretty much rebuilt this car it feels like multiple times, but I just don't understand why it's such a wreck. I have a 99 corolla and all we've done is change the brake pads and rotors once (recently too at almost 90k miles), oil change and services. Nothing else. Runs like a dream. I can easily see myself keeping the corolla for another 10 years.

    But what is the potential for keeping the Ford long term? Are we throwing away good money after bad? Should we suck it up and keep the know crap car instead of risking buying someone else's lemon? If we do all these repairs and then the engine or tranny blows (again fords have bad raps), then we really just flushed money down the toilet.

    I know this is a case of sunk costs. But before we sink the $$$ into a car we aren't sure is worth it, I need to think about what the possible pros and cons are of doing so.

    FWIW, we're not trying to spend money on a new car, hence we're trying to get a car for approximately the same value and mileage. Unfortunately it's 2-3 years older because Subarus are rated as more reliable cars according to consumer reports.

    Maybe I'm being stupid and greedy, and I should just stick with our paid for car. We would not finance the car, but it's risky to trade a known evil for potentially an unknown entity. My DH is voting dumping the car because he doesn't like the idea of sinking more money in.

    This will be a long debate probably. With guests in town we'll have a lot of time to mull over the different options and examine any deals that may come up
    LivingAlmostLarge Blog

  • #2
    Ok. I looked at Consumer Reports for you and I found nothing but bad news. The 2000 model was a redesign for the Focus. Thus, making it really unreliable. The ratings are on a scale from better to worse. The 2000 Focus is at the 2nd worse rating overall.

    Honestly, I'd try to buy a used Honda or Toyota. I have a 1996 Toyota Camry that I bought for ~$5,500. I only paid that much because it only had 90k miles on it. Even the older model Toyota's are more reliable than the 2000 Focus.

    I think you'd be better off trading in and getting a new car. After the troubles my parents had, I will never buy a Ford. They had 3 different Ford vehicles and were constantly pumping money into them.

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    • #3
      Honestly, there's a reason the kids say that Ford stands for Found on Road Dead. I'd go with the Subaru.

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      • #4
        Now I am not sure how far you drive to and from work or whatever but we looked into the Toyota Lift back at 11,5
        It is not a hybrid with those fancy batteries it gets 41 miles to the gallon. Which before my hubby was paying on avg 110.00 weekly to drive to work. Now he runs all week on 11 gallons of gas, and it pays the car not. Insurance is very resonalbe also. And of course after two transmissions and one engine and all the duck tape we were ready for a couple changes! LOL

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        • #5
          Another option for you might be the Yaris. They are definitely don't have all the perks. But, from what I understand, still have the quality of a Toyota.

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          • #6
            Sorry guys it's not in the financial cards that I buy a new car right now ever a Yaris. I am not going to finance a car, so it's gotta be something around $5k. I can get maybe $4k for the Focus and I'll put down $1k. Nothing more.

            I'm done with financing cars, unless I have the cash in the bank sitting, I'm not doing it. And I don't.

            FORD - fix or repair daily, found on the road dead, Ford Owner Really Dumb, Fords only run downhill

            This was my hubby's only car ever purchased. He thought that American Cars would last at least a few years, turns out he was wrong. He'd have been better off financing a corolla or civic for what he paid for this POS $14k.
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            • #7
              Toyota lift-back is a yaris! Sorry I didn't explain further....
              What does the ford AFocus get gas miledge wise.....
              We were lucky...Dh tyruck was a gas hog and well going to the yaris paid the car note and we put some down and only financed it for a couple years....It was worth it to us because he drives a bunch.....

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              • #8
                It's very likely that for your 5k, you can get a Honda, Toyota, Nissan, Subaru etc. in great condition which can last till the wheels fall off .

                A friend of ours bought a Mazda 626 thinking foreign would last longer, turns out the Ford transmission it had was problematic and became costly. He's been a Honda owner ever since.

                Don t blame you for cash cars only; us too ! DH is a BMW enthusiast and does most repairs himself (the only way we could afford one), so we have a BMW (89) and a Suzuki SUV (97). We have had these for 3 years and don't see buying replacements for 2-3 more years, cash only.

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                • #9
                  Puppypal did you real save a lot going to a new Yaris versus and older used car?

                  I'm not ready to commit to another car payment, only car payment we had was on this Ford Focus for $5k loan for 3 years 0.9%.

                  I'd like a more expensive, roomier car one day, but that day is not today nor in the immediate future. This is a preventative measure. When I have money I would love to buy a new car, but not going to happen unfortunately.
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Hedy View Post
                    Honestly, there's a reason the kids say that Ford stands for Found on Road Dead. I'd go with the Subaru.
                    Subaru's are good but the 4wd versions use more gas, wear the tyres quickly and insurance and parts are more expensive than most other vehicles.

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                    • #11
                      Ford actually has an outstanding safety record and reliability record, FYI. I would keep it, and only change the timing belt. The rest can wait. Honestly it sounds like you're really wanting to get into a newer different vehicle. An AWD is going to need just as much work AND the cost of repair is higher. If you want a new car, sell the current one and buy a better one with the money you get for cheaper or for the same price.

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                      • #12
                        The 2000 Ford Focus (what we have) has very bad reliability ratings on Consumer Reports, Edmunds, and Kbb. It does not do well long term. Lots of recalls and lots of problems.

                        I gotta think about the AWD aspect. I would love to have it living in New England and we go snowboarding a lot.

                        Saving is creepy how do you buy a new car for cheaper? I am looking for a lateral move, repeat I do not want to spend money. But rather than dump money into this car, I'd debating putting it towards a different car.
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                        • #13
                          Saving is creepy how do you buy a new car for cheaper?
                          I apologize, I meant "new to you". I was in your position except I needed fuel economy instead of reliability. I ended up with a beautiful 92 accord for 3100 dollars and I couldn't be happier. Yes awd would be nice but you're looking at spending some serious cash on repairs depending on the condition of this vehicle especially if it's 9-10 yrs old. If you're in the position to spend a few bucks go for it, I'm just saying it sounds like you're really wanting AWD and I worry that unless you're a decent shadetree mechanic you'll be shelling out serious dough to fix that car. Subaru is a good vehicle but I'd be willing to bet that even if you were to do most of the repairs yourself parts availability would become an issue. Me personally, I would keep the focus. Why? Because for 6-7 hundred bucks you can have the timing belt changed and you'll be good for another 60K miles. The money you'll save is better IMO toward something that will make you money rather than deplete it. Again, this is just my opinion. Good luck!

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                          • #14
                            Gotcha. Right now we're just looking and exploring the options. Maybe instead of the subaru we can get a used Toyota, older yes but we'd be happier with a more reliable car. We both feel that after 100k the ford will die or something. Just hate to toss more money into a car we've tossed so much into.
                            LivingAlmostLarge Blog

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by LivingAlmostLarge View Post
                              I just don't understand why it's such a wreck.
                              BECAUSE IT IS A FORD!!
                              I have a 99 corolla and all we've done is change the brake pads and rotors once (recently too at almost 90k miles), oil change and services. Nothing else.
                              And that's because it's a TOYOTA.
                              Steve

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