do you trust anyone anymore

[Smallsteps]

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ring-fires-employees-for-abusing-access-to-customer-videos-2020-01-09/

This link is one of MANY items lately I have seen where i simply feel there is no accountability in most anything anymore.
In this case some employees were watching customers videos on their RING equipment. I fully imagine this was a common practice with many more then 4 but these were the fall guys in this situation.
I also read of a San Diego mortgage broker upset over bad YELP reviews disclose those customers credit report with responses to reviews like " if you did not have a bunch of late payments to named creditors perhaps your loan would be better". Each day we see public and private employees totally forget/ ignore and disregard any non disclosure or privacy policy anymore. Even in politics where people want so many NDAs just to dissolve.

It is if we are all caught up in a world very few CAN be professional anymore. Do I trust any business situation will be kept secure? ...Simply put NO.
It has not really happened to me yet but if and when someone does it i will not be surprised.

[disneysteve]

Each day we see public and private employees totally forget/ ignore and disregard any non disclosure or privacy policy anymore. Even in politics

Without making this a political statement, I think politics is a big part of the problem. When our elected leaders are pathological liars and constantly pointing fingers and trying to blame others for their own unethical behavior, it just normalizes those actions. People start to think, "Hey, if he can do it, so can I" and things go downhill from there. You can't turn on the news without hearing the political scandal of the day. People have become immune to it, to the point that a substantial percentage of people continue to support politicians even after they are blatantly caught lying, cheating, and stealing. The bar has been set so pathetically low that the virtuous folks are the ones who are now viewed with suspicion.

[Smallsteps]

This is why I hate signing up for anything anymore or trust my info is private in ANY case.
I find it somewhat disappointing and unsettling that ANY assurances ( what we do with your information statement) some company gives you is WORTHLESS.
Perhaps you trusted people in a profession yet some people just decide to share your privacy or information as a anecdote. When caught often just get an "OOPS was that wrong". Just this week a lawyer was arrested along with a murder suspect for being an possible accomplice. One might assume a lawyer would know murder is not OK.
The disregard is clear in the BOEING 737max case for example emails are somehow released in MANY situations where people whom SHOULD know better then to send emails. text or tweets that show you are complicit and did not even attempt to do the right thing.

It seems a waste of time and paper for employees to sign a non disclosure because if you look around they are simply worthless. Look around it is becoming more uncommon for people to actually work within any rules or use common discretion.

Zero accountability feeds the idea of it is OK there is no downside. So many have no HONOR. Regardless of who else is doing whatever, I truly think in case of it is accepted because this person / politician etc that does it .....is a sad commentary.

Even just being a a mature adult seems rare anymore.
Twice in the last month at work someone has tried to share information with me that is simply NONE of my business and not something that should have been discussed with everyone.
An accident happened I saw there was management represented and so I walked right by minding my own business, So many were gawking and pressing for details that simply were not relevant to them. These are all grown professional people acting like kids that do not know better. For every tiny info they came across they wanted to tell someone also.
A person had a long time off without much explanation and cannot tell you how many people TRIED to spill the beans about a personal issue. I told them i did not need or want to know. After she returned she told me i was the only person not treating her weird. Because they were all talking about her behind her back. She told me why she was gone.... which was totally her info to share or not........... she seemed amazed i had just excused myself from the BS and Gossip.

[disneysteve]

Not to be the person who blames society’s ills on media but I think “reality TV” has stoked a lot of this too. Shows like Survivor and Big Brother and the like show people saying one thing openly and plotting other things behind the scenes. Lying and cheating and misleading each other to get their way and advance in the competition are all accepted practices. An honest guy wouldn’t last a week.

[moneybags]

Not to be the person who blames society’s ills on media but I think “reality TV” has stoked a lot of this too. Shows like Survivor and Big Brother and the like show people saying one thing openly and plotting other things behind the scenes. Lying and cheating and misleading each other to get their way and advance in the competition are all accepted practices. An honest guy wouldn’t last a week.

There have been a few honest winners . We have watched Survivor as a family for years. It is not difficult to teach your kids that what they see on TV is not proper behavior in real life. Too many people blame society when the parents are responsible for raising their kids.

[disneysteve]

Too many people blame society when the parents are responsible for raising their kids.

For sure. I'm definitely not the sort to blame stuff on others, but I do think the constant portrayal of unethical and questionable behavior both on "reality" shows and in the news itself doesn't help matters. It's tough enough to teach your kids right from wrong. It's got to be even tougher when all around them are examples of prominent people who are doing all the wrong things and succeeding and being praised anyway. I'm quite happy I don't have young kids today so that I don't have to try and explain away stuff like that. I think our daughter has a very solid sense of right and wrong and she is just as appalled by the stuff she sees and hears every day as I am.

[msomnipotent]

I trust that all my info is already out there. It doesn't say what the people did with the video clips, but I'm willing to get they posted them online to get likes and upvotes. I think the world would be a better place if Facebook never existed because now people have to have the likes and the followers. Whatever they do is justified because they are "just putting it out there".

And now I sound like my mom. Ugh!

[Smallsteps]

I trust that all my info is already out there. It doesn't say what the people did with the video clips, but I'm willing to get they posted them online to get likes and upvotes. I think the world would be a better place if Facebook never existed because now people have to have the likes and the followers. Whatever they do is justified because they are "just putting it out there".

And now I sound like my mom. Ugh!

This was RING camera in their home for security reasons NOT posted items on FACEBOOK.
The Amazon employees watched these security type videos ( Amazon owns Ring) just like all those (Amazon employees) who listened and even shared ( taped) items customers asked ALEXA............ not what people should expect other to see and people should be able to expect some privacy in their home.

The mortgage broker ( I mentioned in OP) shared peoples credit report online in RESPONSE to a YELP review. listing where they have accounts etc.

Is all your info out there like THAT?


I am not talking about people doing items that could be seen as dishonest in a GAME (survivor) designed for people to stoop to any level to win,
I am talking dealing with any company and their employee just decides to share whatever with anyone.
Look at the news the problem with lets say leaks in government or doxxing by congressional staff , FBI LAWYER altering applications for FISA ....there are literally hundreds of examples. Medical Staff outing when a celebrity comes in for medical care and paparazzi shows up.

OBVIOUSLY they knew better ....probably signed a non disclosure in their terms of employment ( in medical HIPPA) but who cares tell people whatever/ share photos if you like ....

[msomnipotent]

This was RING camera in their home for security reasons NOT posted items on FACEBOOK.
The Amazon employees watched these security type videos ( Amazon owns Ring) just like all those (Amazon employees) who listened and even shared ( taped) items customers asked ALEXA............ not what people should expect other to see and people should be able to expect some privacy in their home.

The mortgage broker ( I mentioned in OP) shared peoples credit report online in RESPONSE to a YELP review. listing where they have accounts etc.

Is all your info out there like THAT?


I am not talking about people doing items that could be seen as dishonest in a GAME (survivor) designed for people to stoop to any level to win,
I am talking dealing with any company and their employee just decides to share whatever with anyone.
Look at the news the problem with lets say leaks in government or doxxing by congressional staff , FBI LAWYER altering applications for FISA ....there are literally hundreds of examples. Medical Staff outing when a celebrity comes in for medical care and paparazzi shows up.

OBVIOUSLY they knew better ....probably signed a non disclosure in their terms of employment ( in medical HIPPA) but who cares tell people whatever/ share photos if you like ....

I understand that. What you don't understand is that I was saying that they probably copied the videos to post on sites such as FACEBOOK (and others) to share with other people. SHEESH.

[ua_guy]

To be distrustful of everyone/everything is a bit dystopian. Rather, trust is earned, and a high level of trust or assumption of trust shouldn't be afforded without good reason or explicit understanding, IMO.

I think the article highlights the general public's struggle with internet-connected devices. People have always lied, gossiped, overshared, spoken poorly about others, and now there are entire platforms (which are not secure) to do those things.

The issue is highlighted even more so in the ongoing divorce of morality and legality. The Boeing CEO leading the company through the 737 Max is getting a payday worth $80 Million upon his exit. What he did wasn't illegal. It wasn't the right thing, either. The text of the released emails was quite shocking. He had to have known all that was discoverable, yet he did it anyway.

[disneysteve]

The issue is highlighted even more so in the ongoing divorce of morality and legality. The Boeing CEO leading the company through the 737 Max is getting a payday worth $80 Million upon his exit. What he did wasn't illegal. It wasn't the right thing, either. The text of the released emails was quite shocking. He had to have known all that was discoverable, yet he did it anyway.

Exactly. We see it on the news out of DC every single day. You have people in charge who feel the laws simply don't apply to them, the Constitution doesn't apply to them, they don't have to respond to subpoenas, they blatantly lie in the face of clear solid proof to the contrary, etc. When the people who are supposed to be setting an example behave like that, what message does that send?