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  • #16
    This is such a hot topic for me and makes me really frustrated. Yes, I do feel it is important to have social programs to help those in need, but I think the food stamp program is so out of whack. Let me share my experience of what I have seen and maybe you will have a better understanding of why I am so frustrated.

    I know families who are in medical school and have children and qualify for food stamps. One particular family has 4 children- ages 5, 4, 2 and 7 months. They get almost $800/month in food stamps (in the midwest where food prices aren't even as crazy as other places). The baby nurses so they don't have to buy formula, and if they wanted they could qualify for WIC also which would provide formula. Now I have a family of 4- children are ages 5 and 2 and I only spend $200/month. $800 seems so excessive to me. And really it is for them. They have had to get a huge freezer in their garage to store all their extra food. They brag about the 90 boxes of cereal they have in their garage. Their fridge is filled with soda and popsicles and processed foods. And, it gets worse. Since they have so much extra money they don't need, they buy their dad his diet coke and then he pays them cash for it. Yeah, I know, so illegal, but no one is stopping them.

    So my number one issue is that people get too much money for food stamps. What is going to encourage them to earn an income and make more money if they are going to lose $800/month for groceries, plus free health care! Now in this case he is going to be a doctor, so he will eventually do well on his salary, but there is going to be a period when this family will be in residency and they will only make $40,000 a year. Their solution: If they have one more child they will still qualify for food stamps and medicaid. They will experience a cut in food stamps because when you make some income they decrease the amount you receive. I am interested to see what they do then. If they can hack $400/month on groceries.
    I know not every situation is like this, most aren't, but others that I know that receive it get way more than necessary. The only reason they would need all that money is if they are buying junk at the grocery store or expensive meats.

    The other thing that really bothers me is what you can buy on food stamps- candy and soda and ice cream!! Come on. You should not be able to get FAT on food stamps. If you want soda and candy that should be something you earn money for and buy yourself, and not let the taxpayers pay for it. They should give less money in food stamps and spend more time educating people on how to prepare meals. And they should stipulate what people can buy.

    Now I know there are cases of those people that are doing everything they can and they really need food stamps and I defintely encourage them to get them, but I guarantee that the amount they get is enough for their food needs. I have another friend in medical school with a child and their first year she tried to do it without food stamps and she was skipping meals and saving the one apple they had left for her husband's lunch. The next year they decided to get food stamps so she could actually afford fruit and to eat all three meals. Now she definitely needed food stamps for her family, but even she agrees that $400 for a family of 3 is way too much money. So I just have to say if people on food stamps are running out of money it is because they are adding wants to their grocery list. (Now I will add, if you have any income you don't get the full amount of food stamps because it is expected that you supplement your income to make up the shortage. So in that case you would run out of food stamps, but that is because you are supposed to supplement with your own money.)
    Thanks for letting me vent.

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    • #17
      I really encourage people to read "Why Americans Hate Welfare" it's written by Martin Gilens. And it illuminates a lot of the comments made in this thread, almost verbatim.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by honeichild View Post
        I really encourage people to read "Why Americans Hate Welfare" it's written by Martin Gilens. And it illuminates a lot of the comments made in this thread, almost verbatim.
        I just requested the book from my library. I am interested to hear what it says.

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        • #19
          Why Americans Hate Welfare

          No need to leave home. Gotta love google books.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by savingmama View Post
            The other thing that really bothers me is what you can buy on food stamps- candy and soda and ice cream!! Come on. You should not be able to get FAT on food stamps. If you want soda and candy that should be something you earn money for and buy yourself, and not let the taxpayers pay for it. They should give less money in food stamps and spend more time educating people on how to prepare meals. And they should stipulate what people can buy.
            I totally agree with this. Taxpayers should not pay for less fortunate people to eat junk food. They are getting the money because (theoretically at least) they are unable to provide adequate sustanance for their families. This should NOT include soda, ice cream and candy. I'm all for helping out, but this money should exclude certain food items. It's no wonder we are such a 'fat' nation.

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            • #21
              Agreed. WIC regulates what can be bought with WIC checks, why can't food stamps do this?

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              • #22
                I don't hate food stamps, but I am outraged that some 21 year old woman can complain about $280/month not being enought of feed her and her baby! I feed 3 adults on less than that in a just as high COLA. So I am not sure what is going on.

                Food stamps is regulated in that you can't buy diapers. You also cannot buy stuff like cleaning supplies, household goods, etc. I know because my mom was a social worker and helped people get and use food stamps.

                I agree it shouldn't be for foods like candy and soda and ice cream. It should be for just food.

                Another problem is people selling their food stamps so they can get cash for booze and smokes. I have serious issues with this.

                I am not against welfare or a handout to help someone. Like this single mother.

                But she gets $280/month for her and a baby and she eats lunch everyday for FREE at her culinary school where she's learning to cook. What is she doing then with the $280? Feeding her baby's daddy while not being married to collect help?
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                • #23
                  One in 11 Americans receive food stamps, according to federal statistics.
                  I must admit I was taken aback by that statement from the article.

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                  • #24
                    I agree with MiikeB. It would be nice if the food stamp program was run more effectively by regulating the types of food which could be purchased. I believe that would be a monster to try to organize and maintain (at least on a level comparable to the WIC program). If you ever gotten behind someone purchasing a few groceries via WIC you know what I mean. Only certain brands, specific onces/sizes allowed, etc. Every item is checked against a list. If this was implemented for the food stamp program and if 1 in 11 Americans use food stamps, then it would take an eternity to get through a checkout line. However, this would make most taxpayers funding this program feel a lot better.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Scanner View Post
                      I must admit I was taken aback by that statement from the article.
                      [re 1 in 11 Americans receives food stamps]

                      Does this mean if a family of 4 receives food stamps, that they are counted as 4 people receiving FS? Or are they counted as one because the HOH (head of household) receives FS?

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                      • #26
                        WIC is different a it's geared towards pregnant women/mothers and infants up to the age of 5. The goal is to make sure low income women get the nutrition they need during this critical period

                        Food stamps don't really care about nutritional value hence the lack of guidelines other than limiting it to food items.

                        If folks are THAT concerned why not write your alderperson or congress person and complain instead of making comments on a messageboard that isn't going to change federal policies.

                        I guess I am more bothered by the abundance of ignorant comments made about poor folks. Perhaps someone should reach out the woman and offer to show her how you feed your family with less instead of belittling her. Just sad.

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                        • #27
                          honeichild point is, if you want to help these people at you and your families expense ... great. Many people work hard for the things they have in their lives ... it is not fair to ask (force) these people to pick up the bill for the people who will not work to help themselves.

                          BTW you commented earlier that she isn't getting anything for free because she is going to school to learn a skill to take care of herself and child. Going to school isn't the same as working, besides who are we kidding we both know she is going to school on our tax dollars anyway.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by rizzmo View Post
                            BTW you commented earlier that she isn't getting anything for free because she is going to school to learn a skill to take care of herself and child. Going to school isn't the same as working, besides who are we kidding we both know she is going to school on our tax dollars anyway.

                            You're not kidding. I'm still paying on my college education. Wish I could have received it for free.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by Scanner View Post
                              I must admit I was taken aback by that statement from the article.
                              [That 1 out of 11 Americans receive foodstamps.]

                              Another article that was linked within the last week (Sorry don't know where it its) said that only 57% of people eligible for foodstamps actually participate in the program. That sounds to me as if 43% of Americans eligible do not find it necessary.

                              By mid-month, Bean is often reduced to eating canned ravioli and peanut butter and jelly What is wrong with that?--other than that she could make a similar pasta dish in large quantity for the same amount as a can of pre-made stuff? I am not aghast to hear that someone eats peanut butter, bread, nor even jelly. I think it is normal, not a shocking indignity and likely mark of malnutrition.

                              Ever since the foodstamps program went to debit card, I don't think the fraudulent discounted resale of the "stamps" is nearly so prevalent--because you have to would have give up the whole card and the pin number to be able to sell the value. You can't sell just half your foodstamps unless that is all you have left on your card.
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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by honeichild View Post
                                I guess I am more bothered by the abundance of ignorant comments made about poor folks. Perhaps someone should reach out the woman and offer to show her how you feed your family with less instead of belittling her. Just sad.
                                I would LOVE to help someone that can't make their food stamps last through the month. I would love to go to the grocery store and see how they are spending their money and help them make more cost effective meal choices. I would love to help make meals plans with them and even teach them how to make some simple meals. Please tell me how I can get connected with someone like that. Unfortunately the only people I know on foodstamps have more than enough money to last through the month- their only concern is to where to store all the extra food.

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