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    #16
    Originally posted by LivingAlmostLarge View Post
    How does the trusts works exactly? If it is a married couple does it need to be revised upon death of one?
    It depends on how you have it set up (and which state you live in). If you live in a state such as Washington State (with a low Estate tax threshold), you might want to get individual trusts--because the threshold is quite low--
    $2,193,000 in 2021, the estate tax above the exemption high (IMHO) and without a trust (in others words--everything passes directly to the spouse), the exemption is not preserved on the second spouse's death.

    https://dor.wa.gov/taxes-rates/other...ate-tax-tables

    Here is an example:
    "This exemption is not “portable” from one spouse to another. If a married couple has a $6 million estate and Spouse 1 dies, everything passes tax free to Spouse 2 by default. But, when Spouse 2 dies, he or she will only get one $2.193 million exemption at death – Spouse 1’s exemption is lost."

    https://alterraadvisors.com/should-i...he-estate-tax/

    (edited to add: I think this situation might make it wise to have assets as close to 50-50 as possible. )
    Last edited by Like2Plan; 07-10-2021, 02:35 PM.

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      #17
      Have a list of the accounts also and put that with your will.

      I had originally intended on listing the accounts, 401K, IRA, checking, & savings in the will itself, but the lawyer said that wasn't the way to do it. She said to confirm the beneficiaries just as you did, and then I made a list of them and jim clipped it to the will.

      I've heard Dave Ramsey discuss having a draw or folder of instructions for his family upon his death. That is probably overkill for most of us, but having a short, up to date list sure doesn't hurt.

      And make sure your beneficiaries are aware of what they are (or aren't) getting ahead of time and where to find the paper work.

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        #18
        One other caution: if you have more than one beneficiary making everything POD might cause some unintended consequences. (Especially if the beneficiaries are not necessarily on congenial terms. )

        The problem arises when the executor (or personal representative) needs cash to settle the estate and for final burial expenses. If there is a house, there may be bills and taxes, etc, to keep the place running until it can be sold (or another can of worms--property that is inherited by more than one person and the deposition of the property can not be agreed upon and there are bills, taxes, etc)....

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          #19
          Originally posted by Like2Plan View Post
          The problem arises when the executor (or personal representative) needs cash to settle the estate and for final burial expenses.
          I saw this first hand with a neighbor "John" who lived down the street from me. John was a very creepy guy who I had to have words with on more than one occasion because he liked to try and get into other's personal business.

          John died of the flu in 2017. Being that John had no family that would associate with him, he left his house to my next door neighbor "Frank" who was significantly more tolerant of this guy's proclivities than I was.

          John was a retired disabled veteran. And despite my private concerns about John, Frank did right by him, by arranging a burial in a local military grave yard.

          From what I was told, John didn't have any significant savings to fund the burial. Frank had to sale the house to pay for the burial. This took a couple of months, and to my understanding the body was kept in cold storage until it was all arranged. This did surprise me as I didn't realize long term storage of bodies was a thing.

          Frank then sold his house and used the remaining proceeds to purchase a larger home for his family.

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            #20
            Originally posted by Like2Plan View Post
            The problem arises when the executor (or personal representative) needs cash to settle the estate and for final burial expenses.
            My wife and I were really wondering about this. Fortunately, covering all of the expenses ourselves wasn't a problem for us, but I'm sure most people can't do that. What happens for the 70% who live paycheck to paycheck? We spent almost 18K for the funeral. We've also paid the HOA dues, electric bill, water bill, auto insurance, home owners insurance, car payments, etc. since he died in May. As I am the sole beneficiary and he had a substantial estate, all of that money will eventually come back to us, but what would have happened if we didn't have the funds to pay all of those bills?
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              #21
              Originally posted by disneysteve View Post
              We spent almost 18K for the funeral.
              The funeral business is an absolute racket. On problem is most people don't pre-plan (I didn't say prepay) for these things. Also keep in mind, funerals are for the living, not the dead.

              Dad really doesn't care that his casket has the rose wood handles with the sterling silver trim, and the silk lined interior. If given the choice, he'd prefer the cheapest box so Mom can keep the savings.
              Embalming is not required by law. We tend to keep the body around for three or four days, cold storage is probably OK.
              You're going to have to pay to wash and dress the body, assuming you don't want to do so yourself.
              You're going to have to pay for makeup, assuming you don't want to do so yourself.
              You're going to have to pay for the crew to open / close the grave.
              There is the cost for tomb stones.
              You're going to have to pay for overhead expenses: hearse, funeral home, staff.
              We have a family plot, but if you don't have that it's another expense.
              There are cost for media shows.
              There are catering cost.
              There are even souvenirs. My mother almost paid $100 for a necklace with my grandmother's finger print for example.

              Also keep in mind, it doesn't matter where they bury you, chances are, within the next 200 years, they are going to dig you up to build a Walmart.

              There is a channel on YouTube, AskAMortician that is excellent. She talks about alternatives to the modern burial process.

              Direct cremation cost are $800 or less.

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                #22
                Originally posted by myrdale View Post

                The funeral business is an absolute racket. On problem is most people don't pre-plan (I didn't say prepay) for these things. Also keep in mind, funerals are for the living, not the dead.

                ......

                Also keep in mind, it doesn't matter where they bury you, chances are, within the next 200 years, they are going to dig you up to build a Walmart.

                There is a channel on YouTube, AskAMortician that is excellent. She talks about alternatives to the modern burial process.

                Direct cremation cost are $800 or less.
                Yep, this is exactly why I want my body disposed of as cheaply and environmentally safe as possible. I don't want no fancy stuff that costs way too much. Really dig a hole deep enough and bury me to fertilize the growing of new life....if my body isn't too toxic. I LOVE AskAMortician and her books are great too. I don't want to be embalmed or any of that crap. My family is so small anyways...if I die before my spouse, enough to support them and when we're both gone everything goes to my child. I never expected an inheritance when my Dad died and I'd still rather empty my bank accounts to have him back.

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