New Orleans & Las Vegas attackers probably had little to no money

[QuarterMillionMan]

Both probably had nothing to lose which drove them to do what they did. Crazy.

[disneysteve]

Where are you getting that from? I haven't seen any reports to that effect. And why would being broke lead to killing and maiming dozens of people?

What we have learned, at least about the New Orleans guy, is that he was aligned with ISIS. These terrorist groups radicalize people through online means. They prey on vulnerable people who wander into these online sites and forums and brainwash them. Pretty much the way any extremist groups recruit and retain their followers.

[EasyMoney00]

Hope the owner of that cyber truck bought the extended warranty.

[disneysteve]

Hope the owner of that cyber truck bought the extended warranty.

The sad thing is that both vehicles were rentals so two innocent owners had their vehicles destroyed. Hopefully insurance covers them but if their rates go up as a result that would suck.

[Tabs]

I must also reiterate Steve's inquiry here, and ask why someone who commit crimes must have little to no money?

To be clear, many crimes and criminals are indeed financially-driven. Not all though, not especially if you have someone who is attributing their crimes in support of ISIS. I believe Bin Laden himself was a multi-millionaire?

In my previous life, we have an acronym for quickly assessing motives: MESSI. That's short for:

• Money
• Ego
• Sex
• Survival
• Ideology

It could be any one of those things, a combination of those things, all of the above, or perhaps none of the above as well.

[QuarterMillionMan]

It is sad to think that these 2 tragic events on Jan 1 may be just the beginning of what might be a bigger problem. I'll try to be more observant in public and if I see something, I'll say something and call the cops.

[bjl584]

Not sure about finances, but I did see some reports from the guy in New Orleans. He was going through some bad times.
The unedited video of the events and its aftermath are wild.

[EasyMoney00]

Let just hope that more people start to line their pockets with money. If not we'll have to start rounding up all the poor people and load them in trains and send them off. You know, since they're more likely to kill people since they have nothing to lose. Smh

[myrdale]

Where are you getting that from? I haven't seen any reports to that effect. And why would being broke lead to killing and maiming dozens of people?

Matthew Livelsburger had reportedly been dumped by his wife a couple days prior.

Shadsud Din Jabbar reportedly started having money issues after a divorce from his wife in 2022.

Saying they had nothing to lose can apply to more than just their finances.

Deciding to hurt people for a political cause is a whole different level of crazy. Presumably Jabbar thought it would help him be accepted by others. In other words broke > desperate > indoctrination > murder.

[disneysteve]

Saying they had nothing to lose can apply to more than just their finances.

Fair point.

People become desperate and impressionable for many reasons. Whether it’s ISIS or QAnon or some other radical extremist group, they prey on people who find themselves in vulnerable states.

We also need to do a much better job of supporting our military. The New Orleans guy was a veteran and the Vegas guy was active duty.

[EasyMoney00]

Fair point.

People become desperate and impressionable for many reasons. Whether it’s ISIS or QAnon or some other radical extremist group, they prey on people who find themselves in vulnerable states.

Add the FBI to this radical group list. Does no one remember the assassination plot against gretchen whitmer, governor of Michigan in 2020? 14 Fbi informants and members of the fbi "infiltrated" a nothing burger militia group. Convinced a few guys to blow something up and kidnap Gretchen (none of which they ever did.) All entrapment. 2 men were acquitted after spending time in jail and the other 2 got off on a mistrial. Happens more than it should. Fbi convincing backwoods disgruntled people to do something they otherwise never would. But we're the good guys so nothing to see here. Just more conspiracy talk.

[ua_guy]

Speaking of radicalization..

[ua_guy]

In the first instance, religion played a role, indoctrination. ISIS. That was probably more of a motivator than financial issues. Why are we skipping over that part? Religion-motivated mass killings are pervasive throughout history.

One has to wonder who is covering the cost of the destroyed vehicles. Personal insurance on a vehicle doesn't allow for using the car as a rental (i.e. turo) or ride sharing (using the car for Uber). Hopefully the owners had riders for rental use and/or a separate commercial policy. However, a lot of insurance policies don't cover losses when acts are intentional, which both of these acts were. I wonder if Turo is stepping in. If I had a car listed on Turo right now, I'd probably be pulling that back. I don't, but both of these are good examples of what can happen when loaning out personal vehicles goes bad.

[disneysteve]

One has to wonder who is covering the cost of the destroyed vehicles. Personal insurance on a vehicle doesn't allow for using the car as a rental (i.e. turo) or ride sharing (using the car for Uber). Hopefully the owners had riders for rental use and/or a separate commercial policy. However, a lot of insurance policies don't cover losses when acts are intentional, which both of these acts were. I wonder if Turo is stepping in. If I had a car listed on Turo right now, I'd probably be pulling that back. I don't, but both of these are good examples of what can happen when loaning out personal vehicles goes bad.

I do wonder who is covering the destroyed vehicles especially since both were rentals and both renters are now dead. When you rent a car, your own auto insurance is primary coverage. Any policy you take from the rental company or coverage from your credit card is secondary. I don't know what happens when the damage is intentional. I guess it depends how the policy is written. But no matter what, I would hope the rental company/owner doesn't end up footing the bill. I suspect that going forward you'll see more Turo owners requiring renters to take out the insurance policy. I've rented from Turo twice and will be doing it regularly going forward but I have taken the coverage both times.

As for "what can happen when loaning out personal vehicles", I have no idea what the stats are but I can tell you that the guy I've rented from through Turo isn't loaning out his personal vehicle. He's got 12 vehicles that he rents out. He is clearly running it as a business and I would assume he's treating it as such as far as insurance and liability is concerned. Sure there are folks renting out their own car on days they don't need it but I suspect it's become more like Air B&B or VRBO where people are buying cars specifically to use as rentals.

[james.hendrickson]

Matthew Livelsburger had reportedly been dumped by his wife a couple days prior.

Shadsud Din Jabbar reportedly started having money issues after a divorce from his wife in 2022.

Saying they had nothing to lose can apply to more than just their finances.

Deciding to hurt people for a political cause is a whole different level of crazy. Presumably Jabbar thought it would help him be accepted by others. In other words broke > desperate > indoctrination > murder.

To MyDale's point - a marriage and a mortgage are a great way to keep a guy on the straight and narrow. When people have a "stake in conformity", or good reasons to obey the law, they're less apt to commit crime.