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    So we are exploring staying in DC. DH posted his resume on indeed/linked-in and is getting inundated with requests (though most of them are for not that much more pay, so not too helpful).

    I am not sure how to deal with a particular situation - he had a phone call (I guess like an interview) with a company that went great, until they asked for his pay requirements. Than it ended pretty soon. Later on, the company contacted him, confirmed his pay requirement and wanted him to fill out some forms and they want to prepare a conditional employment letter.
    They obviously want to use his resume to bid on a gov. contract that has pretty strict hard requirements for a project lead that he meets. People with these qualifications are in very short supply.

    The problem is that company has below average reviews on glassdoor and from all the comments seem to underpay their staff, sometimes get rid of them with short notice, and work them hard. So this salary, while it would not be out of line with a really good company, seems out of line for that company.

    That is why we are concerned. If they get that contract, based on stipulation that DH heads it, will they try to get rid of him once the project is half way in, or done, and replace him with someone significantly less expensive? Will coming from a company with less than stellar reputation hurt his chances in a future? (reputation of an employee and a company do reflect on each other).

    Or, it could be that the company did realize they can't find someone that can meet those requirements and are just desperate enough for that contract that they are willing to pay up. If they made an honest good faith effort and met his salary expectations (which is expensive for them), it is kind of bad for DH to just say he is not interested after getting what he asked.

    On the other end of a spectrum, he is being courted by a great company - great environment, diversity, reputation, integrity, fast growing, good leadership, work-life balance, treatment of employees, and location is fantastic too. Complete opposite of company 1. Everyone wants to work for them. But their available position is a level lower and therefore much less money (competitive for what the position is, DH is just overqualified).

    The "bad" company agreed to offer 70K more than the great one. (The great one, on average, pays much more for average position than the bad one, so this is concerning).

    Any thoughts from someone who was on an employer side in such predicament. Or has experience with similar situations? There are seem to be many ways that DH could be screwed here. But I am not sure how to tell if they are making a good faith effort in upping the salary so significantly or if they just know they will be in a stronger position later?

  • #2
    What are people saying about the "bad" company online?
    Do they have a bad reputation overall?
    Brian

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    • #3
      My husband's company has quite a few Glassdoor reviews that are bad, too. He really likes working there. Some of the reviews state that the benefits suck. I think that they are better than average, especially the health insurance. It is pretty darn cheap compared to what we were paying before. I think people go out of their way to write reviews when they have some sort of beef with anything.

      Can he bring up the reviews in a tactful way and see what they say?

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      • #4
        Offer #1 Firstly, is the offer contingent on Recruiter winning the government contract? What is announcement date? DH signs contract with recruiter or directly with government agency? I presume this is only for the term of the project, not permanent employment. If the concern is the ethics/reputation of the recruiter/company, DH will need an extra clause added to the contract that addresses 'Termination Without Cause', so that DH is paid for the contract.

        I'm looking at the 'gossip' swirling around the current administration and wonder how many agency's/departments will have non vetted, Interim leaders like Mick Mulvaney's Consumer Financial Protection Bureau, serving at the pleasure of the President, in order to circumvent constitutional law.


        Employer #2 What is their staff turnover? What are their promotion policies? If DH were to 'pay his dues,' short term with a salary appropriate to the lesser position, would he as an 'insider,' 'wired' to an opening more to his skill set and level? Is this permanent employment as opposed to time specific contract work?

        Some people lean to the private sector and see more, long term opportunity. What benefit would DH derive from having opportunity # 2 on his resume?

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        • #5
          Is Company #2 the good one a paycut? If so is it worth it for skills or getting into new career track? Is it a lateral move?

          I'd be more worried taking a lower pay job, less responsibilities will translate further in career. A lateral move can be okay depending on reason for it. But just because well it depends. More details needed.
          LivingAlmostLarge Blog

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          • #6
            I live this situation daily, and my friends cannot always keep track of what project I am working on or who is paying me.

            Here are some fundamentals...

            1) If you have a job you like, money should not drive a change.
            2) Do not take a job ONLY for the money or increase. Money disappears, misery does not always disappear...
            3) Take steps to make sure you prevent bad things from happening


            Job search steps

            1) Any resume posted online should not have your phone number- get a google voice number or use a phone number you can get rid of. Online resumes are permanent. I changed my job search phone number 2 years ago and people still call my original resume I posted 2-6 years ago with my personal cell.
            2) Recruiters job is to fill open positions, there employment is nearly always temporary. They are not your friend and not looking out for your best interests. Most recruiters do not know the details of the project they are filling, they only have a job description.
            3) For positions like you describe above, require a LARGE signing bonus which is cash and cannot be recalled- meaning if laid off in 12 months, money is all yours. Try to amortize bonus over 2 years. I don't always succeed with this, but it helps seeing where rates are on contracts- it may distract the conversation long enough to learn more about back office.
            4) Any working person is a prostitute- we are changing money for time. Every contract change require a rate increase- even if hopping around to different contracts, a $5 hour raise is $10k per year. In last 5 years my pay has increased 50% using this technique.

            From a professional standpoint, this is where certifications come in- the likelyhood of advancement is low when doing this- if the career choice is "contract whore", focus on hourly rate, certifications, and making a change before job changes me. Two can play this game, the question is who wins?

            Some examples- I have done contract work for Siemens and many smaller companies, some of them even contracted me through Siemens. Siemens at my peak charged $275/hr for my services... my company was charging Siemens $150/hr for same contract- Siemens made money on the spread, and I made a lot less than $150/hr
            I worked same contract outside of Siemens (same end customer after I was laid off) and we charged $100/hr and I took home $62/hr. This was with healthcare and 401k... so the $38/hr spread was employer side of health care, employer profit and their overhead. If you can make 62% of contract value, you have done good young jedi.

            With government work I think getting a smaller company to win contract is the tough part, there are ways to solve this if you take on risk of sourcing yourself
            Last edited by jIM_Ohio; 12-11-2017, 03:13 AM.

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            • #7
              Jim! Great to see you back! How is everything?
              Steve

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              • #8
                Season greetings, Wonderful to see your post jIM_Ohio,

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                • #9
                  Is there a third option?
                  I would say go with your gut on this. It might take a little more time to find the right fit.

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