Do you think life is hard?

[Singuy]

AGREED!

If a teenager keeps showing up in your ER for trying to kill herself over something "stupid", she has shown up a bunch of times, if that doesn't tell you there is underlying mental illness, well, I wouldn't want you near my kid if she was doing that.

if you hold such strong beliefs that life is easy, "real" depression is rare, suicide attempts are a cry for attention, why would you want to take care of all those loser ER patients who have obviously created their own problems?

And life isn't hard if you have ALS or Huntington's, Alzheimer's, etc. Just cancer gives you a free pass to say life is hard. Got it. So it's my fault this non-cancerous mass is in my brain screwing everything up, as well as for giving me treatment resistant POTs. My life was happy and fine until I self-sabotaged my own health, chose two random diagnoses that I somehow made appear and I deign to accept disability that I'm sure you would say I am not entitled to. Yet life is hard (by my standards, not yours) but I am still happy and appreciative of all I have and all whom I love. And I am not complaining, I accept everyone will likely have some rough times in life. And just because you're in the First World, your life can be tough. Come see my dying, suffering, writhing in pain and gasping for air mom and you tell her to her face it's her own fault and she should be happy with all that the First World has given her. Oddly, she actually still appreciates all of that, but her life is hard right here in the USA.

I'm sorry that I didn't list all disease states that can make life hard for a particular individual..you are nitpicking things I say but not arguing the underlying problem..which is that people here thinks life is hard because they think they are entitled to a much easier life. And I am NOT talking about individuals with no eyes/burnt skin/lack a limp/or any kind of rare diseases. I am talking about any healthy individual! I have healthy individuals making 120k/year here complaining how life is hard! These are the people I have a problem with!

Also we take care of those patients in the ER because it's our job to. We don't have beliefs get in the way of anything. We don't practice selective medicine(ie. oh this mass murderer from the nearby prison got stabbed..so lets just let him die).


Lastly read the articles I posted. I have proof backing up that most (60%) "real" depressions are not "real" at all. And these are clinically diagnosed individuals! Just imagine all those you know who claims they are "depressed" because of x and y and how "life is hard" for them.

[Weird Tolkienish Figure]

+1

Life is almost stupid easy here in the U.S. You pretty much can live a decent worry free life just by following some simple rules (do your homework, choose a good major in college, don't do drugs, don't screw around with too many guys(or girls) while getting multiple people pregnant..and you are pretty much good to go).

You don't have to worry about dirty water, or people hunting you down for rape/slavery/isis recruitment/slaughter. Also you don't have to worry too much about competition unlike those who are in China/India/other overcrowded second world countries.

This is why I don't understand "depression" and suicides in the US. Wtf is there to cry about? My wife and I are just rule followers, we are not some genius. Our parents were immigrants not knowing the language and they did just fine (My parents went from -3000 to a net worth of 2million in the past 25 years in the U.S). We know the language and both became doctors in our field of study while barely going to class...yawwwwwnn. Life is retarded easy...

You represent the "can-do" immigrant spirit that built this country and you are 100% correct. Unfortunately the media constantly spits out how rotten things are in the country.

I looked up your post about becoming a millionaire on McD's salary, you're 100% right. Lots of negativity on that thread.

You're an inspiration, man, keep it up! I need inspiration to change my own ways, which have nothing to do with money, though.

[Weird Tolkienish Figure]

I don't. But most of those around me believe life is a constant struggle and only really good things (no money worries, happiness, a joyful retirement, etc.) is all make believe.

Granted, I've had it pretty good all my life. Middle class. I drive a cheap car and don't have a ton of money. But I think I can get more money when I put my mind to it. I think we have it all pretty easy compared with people outside of America - the land of opportunity.

What do you think? Is life easy or is it just easy to some people?

I believe life is easy in the US but our own brains make life hard.

Because we compare our selves to other people and there's always someone who has more than you.

Sometimes you just absorb the relentless negativity and live that way, in self destruction.

Comparison truly is the thief of joy!

[FLA]

Yes, you take care of those patients in the ER but bash them on here. That's not kind. I get what you are saying about people making 120k and think life is hard. Yup, Americans are soft and we are very fortunate. But most people at one time or another go through a period when life is not easy. Why can't we recognize that and not compare it to 3rd World problems, thus saying that person should not be distressed during a challenging time because they could be starving in Ethiopia?

when I get a chance, I will look at your articles on depression. In my 23 yrs doing oncology, home care and hospice, I've encountered a **** ton of depression, many times it's not even the patient who is suffering with it. I do believe it can be sparked by a situation but there are plenty of people experiencing major depression that did not experience situational causes. Sometimes it just happens. And that doesn't make it any less valid. I'm very unlikely to dismiss someone's depression as not depression, I am not in their brain, how do I really know?

[Singuy]

I believe life is easy in the US but our own brains make life hard.

Because we compare our selves to other people and there's always someone who has more than you.

Sometimes you just absorb the relentless negativity and live that way, in self destruction.

Comparison truly is the thief of joy!

+1

Very true. I usually compare my life with others who are much less fortunate than myself(when things get rough) so I think my life is always easier. I also lived a portion of my life in pre 1990 China (think North Korea) so I know how green the grass is in the U.S.).

[Singuy]

Yes, you take care of those patients in the ER but bash them on here. That's not kind. I get what you are saying about people making 120k and think life is hard. Yup, Americans are soft and we are very fortunate. But most people at one time or another go through a period when life is not easy. Why can't we recognize that and not compare it to 3rd World problems, thus saying that person should not be distressed during a challenging time because they could be starving in Ethiopia?

Yes, but a lot of the complaints are what they called "first world" problems.

ie. I make 40k/year, I live paycheck to paycheck. My car broke down yesterday and my A/C stopped working today. Life is hard (true story from work)

ie. This 40 year old bf I (a 25 year old) am dating yesterday was in a fight with me. He got into his car and was about to drive off. I jumped on his car to try to stop him. He flung me off, and then ran into my car before leaving. Life is hard (true story)

ie. I make 120k a year, but I decided to make some donations(50k worth) and bought a car for my son(40k worth) with credit cards and cash advance. I am now sneaking around not telling my husband what happened. I randomly cry at work because the stress is getting to me.(more true stories).


And this is when I roll my eyes to the point my contacts get lost.

I understand people can go through hard times due to a death in the family or sudden deadly disease you were just diagnosed. The above examples are anything but. They are self inflicted nonsense created because life is just too good here. I bet these people wouldn't have the time to get flung by their bf's car if they have to hunt for clean water on a daily basis.

[Weird Tolkienish Figure]

Just being alive is a ****ing gift, honestly. Not everyone... especially considering what day it is today... has even that privilege.

[ua_guy]

Please read all the articles on how rich countries have a higher number of depression than poorer countries. The U.S numbers/capita TRIPLES that of China and Mexico.

http://www.cnn.com/2011/HEALTH/07/26/affluent.depression.prone/

Also read how over 60% of those diagnosed with depression doesn't actually meet the criteria.

http://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2013/05/study-most-people-diagnosed-with-depression-do-not-actually-meet-criteria/275436/

I guess we Chinese just don't understand how to be a crybaby while Mexicans take your jobs. You know why? Because we don't live our lives thinking we are entitled to an easy life and cries about it when it's not easy.

I posted a thread about how to become a millionaire on MCD's salary. I got so much flame from many people on the thread because the budget outlined was "too hard" or "impossible"...even though it was an outline of my parent's budget 20 years ago.

Too many people I feel doesn't like to put in the work and just complain about how life is just too hard. This is my #1 pet peeve. You have all sorts of freedom/opportunities here...so it blows my mind how people actually thinks life is hard here.

You're assuming depression is only caused by having a "hard life" and you're really only looking at it from a monetary perspective. That's short-sighted at best. The over-diagnosis of depression is a clinical practice as well as over-medication, two weaknesses of our healthcare system in the US. That doesn't mean that someone who doesn't meet DSM criteria for major depressive order isn't suffering from depression or any other disorder.

I'm probably not going to change your opinion, you are free to educate yourself, and I don't need you to Google any more articles on depression for me.

Whether people think life is hard or easy is an individual assessment so there's no right or wrong answer. Your underlying assumption about depression is wrong, though, and one of your articles outlines it nicely. Money doesn't buy happiness.

[Singuy]

You're assuming depression is only caused by having a "hard life" and you're really only looking at it from a monetary perspective. Money doesn't buy happiness.

I mentioned safety, infrastructure, freedom and opportunities. I barely mentioned money.

ie. You losing your job suddenly and now can't afford your mortgage (which can cause depression) vs you can't find fresh water and your new born may die tomorrow (this just sounds depressing no matter how you spin it).

I am saying a lack of money is meh on the depression scale vs a lack of infrastructure.

What's interesting is that there's a higher chance of the guy losing the job being depressed than the women not able to find fresh water (3x higher)! This is why I think the people in the U.S are soft compared to the people in the third world. Your depression caused by x,y,z in the grand scheme of thing seems so trivial and should be downplayed compared to the rest of the world. Your "hard life" is nothing more than a "first world problem".

Also money doesn't buy happiness. Good choices in life buys happiness.

[FLA]

Yes, but a lot of the complaints are what they called "first world" problems.

ie. I make 40k/year, I live paycheck to paycheck. My car broke down yesterday and my A/C stopped working today. Life is hard (true story from work)

ie. This 40 year old bf I (a 25 year old) am dating yesterday was in a fight with me. He got into his car and was about to drive off. I jumped on his car to try to stop him. He flung me off, and then ran into my car before leaving. Life is hard (true story)

ie. I make 120k a year, but I decided to make some donations(50k worth) and bought a car for my son(40k worth) with credit cards and cash advance. I am now sneaking around not telling my husband what happened. I randomly cry at work because the stress is getting to me.(more true stories).


And this is when I roll my eyes to the point my contacts get lost.

I understand people can go through hard times due to a death in the family or sudden deadly disease you were just diagnosed. The above examples are anything but. They are self inflicted nonsense created because life is just too good here. I bet these people wouldn't have the time to get flung by their bf's car if they have to hunt for clean water on a daily basis.

this makes sense, I notice when I am grumpy over a First World problem, how lucky I am to be here

[FLA]

You're assuming depression is only caused by having a "hard life" and you're really only looking at it from a monetary perspective.

I'm probably not going to change your opinion, you are free to educate yourself, and I don't need you to Google any more articles on depression for me.

Your underlying assumption about depression is wrong, though, and one of your articles outlines it nicely. Money doesn't buy happiness.

what I should've said! I only read one article, that was plenty

[Joan.of.the.Arch]

Singuy, you might be letting other people's complaints bother you too much. Relax. Let it go. You might work yourself into a state of depression.

[Singuy]

Singuy, you might be letting other people's complaints bother you too much. Relax. Let it go. You might work yourself into a state of depression.

LoL, just having a good time. Having heated arguments on this forum help me pass the time at work

[clatoden99]

Living life (for most people) is very simple. You just need to have enough to eat, drink, somewhere to protect yourself from the elements (ie somewhere to live), some clothes and an effective method to get to where you need to go (walk, drive, bus, train,etc).
It's the self imposed ideals of the "perfect life" people place on themselves or society feels you should achieve that creates the anxiety and the "life is hard" attitude.
Life, in reality, can be as simple or complex as you choose to make your current situation.
There are a handful of things out of peoples control, but a great deal more are in their full control.
It's funny, people who say "life is so hard" are generally the ones who have it pretty good. The ones who truly have it hard and are in war torn countries or 3rd world poverty, they are so busy trying to just survive let alone have time to complain.
If people are more realistic about their expectations on their future goals and also follow a path that they are comfortable with, a lot less people would complain.