I have been a serial renter, but I would probably buy a house if I could find a house in a neighborhood I liked at a price I thought was reasonable. As for the usual argument of the rent being "money thrown away", I would argue that maintenance costs for a home (including any repairs/replacements, pest control, landscaping, etc) is not going into the equity of the house either. Depending on part of the country, property taxes may be pretty high as well. I definitely agree with the posts so far that there a lot of variables which affect if buying or renting is better for a specific situation.
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How many of us are 100% debt free?
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Home mortgage should not be included if you have money invested in other sources which could be used at any time to pay off said mortgage.
Similar that credit card debt should not be included if you pay the balance off each month.
Also, everyone is in debt since they owe the government taxes each year (at the very least real estate taxes).
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I think we should use this definition of debt-free:
Having excess amount of money in the bank that is more than the total cummulative debt.
If I have 120k in my bank sitting around doing nothing, and my mortgage still have 80k left, 10k left on my car, and 3k in cc bills, I am essentially "debt free" because now it's just a matter of choice of being "debt-free"....allthough I don't see why you wouldn't want to pay everything off but still it's a choice.
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Originally posted by Singuy View PostI think we should use this definition of debt-free:
Having excess amount of money in the bank that is more than the total cummulative debt.
If I have 120k in my bank sitting around doing nothing, and my mortgage still have 80k left, 10k left on my car, and 3k in cc bills, I am essentially "debt free" because now it's just a matter of choice of being "debt-free"....allthough I don't see why you wouldn't want to pay everything off but still it's a choice.seek knowledge, not answers
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Originally posted by feh View PostI disagree. "Debt free" means just that - no debts. What you describe here is positive net worth.
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Originally posted by Singuy View PostThen you can never be "debt free" if you use a credit card to get rewards, even though you have plenty of money to pay it off at the end of the month..same goes for electric bills....by your definition, Warren Buffet is not "debt free".seek knowledge, not answers
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Then there's really no difference between having 120k but refusing to pay off your car debt..it's a matter of choice and not debt. Once you can no longer pay off the debt in full, then you are in debt. If you were to have 0 debt today, but decided tomorrow to spend 30k on a car but put it all on your credit card, are you now in debt?(even though you can pay it off at the end of the month). So debt to you is time(exceeding 30 days) and not actually the ability to pay it off or not?Last edited by Singuy; 04-03-2013, 08:54 AM.
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Originally posted by Singuy View PostThen there's really no difference between having 120k but refusing to pay off your car debt..it's a matter of choice and not debt. Once you can no longer pay off the debt in full, then you are in debt. If you were to have 0 debt today, but decided tomorrow to spend 30k on a car but put it all on your credit card, are you now in debt?(even though you can pay it off at the end of the month). So debt to you is time(exceeding 30 days) and not actually the ability to pay it off or not?
There is an important distinction of debt you are overlooking: it is a legal obligation to pay another for something that is not yet yours. If the money you have on hand to pay off the debt gets lost, stolen, or becomes otherwise unavailable, you will default and you expose yourself to a lawsuit. This is impossible if you had paid for the item in cash up front.
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Originally posted by JoeP View PostWhether you agree with the definition or not, debt is defined as money borrowed by one party from another.
There is an important distinction of debt you are overlooking: it is a legal obligation to pay another for something that is not yet yours. If the money you have on hand to pay off the debt gets lost, stolen, or becomes otherwise unavailable, you will default and you expose yourself to a lawsuit. This is impossible if you had paid for the item in cash up front.
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Originally posted by Singuy View PostI think we should use this definition of debt-free:
Having excess amount of money in the bank that is more than the total cummulative debt.
If I have 120k in my bank sitting around doing nothing, and my mortgage still have 80k left, 10k left on my car, and 3k in cc bills, I am essentially "debt free" because now it's just a matter of choice of being "debt-free"....allthough I don't see why you wouldn't want to pay everything off but still it's a choice.
I think throwing utilities bills etc is way more technical than I was asking unless you are behind on your bills.
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