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  • Re: Same old story

    I can answer your spending money question as to what I do.

    I sat down and came up with a budget and I use a cash only system.

    After all my bills are paid, I have approximately $800 left PER PAY.
    Gas $100
    Groceries $200
    Freedom Account $300
    Credit card $200

    Every pay day, I go to the bank and refill my gas card with $100 whether I need it or not. If on pay day there is already $100 remaining on the card, I transfer that money directly to the credit cards.

    I would do the same with the grocery money if the grocery store I use had gift cards. However, I shop at Aldi's and I haven't found gift cards there yet. So for Aldi, I use the envelope system you are talking about. I simply take out $200 and put it in an envelope. This fund, for me, is for all food and toiletries, including eating out. Let's say on pay day I still have $50 remaining in the envelope. I subtract that $50 from the budgeted $200 which leaves $150. I take $150 cash from the bank and add it to the $50 remaining in the envelope making the budgeted $200 again. This leaves $50 still in the bank which I then send directly to the credit cards.

    The freedom account is basically my savings account. I send $300 to my savings account every pay day to cover less frequent payments throughout the year. For me, I decided on things like daycare, Christmas and birthday gifts, amusement park passes, car maintenance, etc. I added up the cost of each and divided it by 26 pays (bi-weekly pay). This came out to $300 for us.

    The $200 toward the CC is self-explanitory. By sending it bi-weekly and not monthly, it is twice the minimum payment and we have it set up with the bank to be sent to the credit card company every two weeks. This way we always meet the minimum payment and we never have late fees. This is in addition to any other money we can throw at it, including money from the grocery money, gas money, DH's overtime, and second job.

    In our budget, we haven't left much room for fun. We've only been living on this system for one month, so we'll see if no fun becomes a problem or not. Right now, we have committed to this bare minimum system for one full year. We figure we can live like this as long as there is a time limit for it. We will re-evaluate our plan at this time next year. We will then either relax and just pay a set amount on the credit card or we will see that we can have it paid it off in just a few more short months. I don't know yet, but I want that debt gone!

    This is just an idea of how we are tackleing our debt.

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    • Re: Same old story

      Another thought on "wants":

      Many of us are probably going to tell you to skip the wants right now. I told you that my family has decided to skip the wants for a year. Perhaps you can challenge yourself in the small way many of us are. We attempt to go for one full week without spending any money at all, though most of us stipulate that all bills must be paid. It is rather fun and it has made us look at how we spend our money mindlessly. Check out the "no-spend" challenge.

      Of course if none of these ideas work for you, you should probably just have a misc. "wants" cash envelope and budget $X for it.

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      • Re: Same old story

        Thanks guys...the envelope system...having x amount sitting in an envelope and not in the bank earning interest is ok? I think that is what keeps throwing me...is this literal or is this a ledger concept...I've read several post that state they literally put money into an actual envelope...which is fine with me, I just want to make sure I am understanding the concept. Ok, so I need to figure out what my envelopes should be...I guess I can keep them in my little fireproof lock box, not sure where else I'd feel comfortable putting them. I'm working on the budget right now and should have it done in a few minutes...

        thanks

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        • Re: Same old story

          Originally posted by Kris10Leigh
          Another thought on "wants":

          Many of us are probably going to tell you to skip the wants right now. I told you that my family has decided to skip the wants for a year. Perhaps you can challenge yourself in the small way many of us are. We attempt to go for one full week without spending any money at all, though most of us stipulate that all bills must be paid. It is rather fun and it has made us look at how we spend our money mindlessly. Check out the "no-spend" challenge.

          Of course if none of these ideas work for you, you should probably just have a misc. "wants" cash envelope and budget $X for it.

          I think I will do this. Not this weekend of course (I've already spent this weekend) but maybe this upcoming...I get paid on the 24th so it should be interesting to see if I can stick to it on a pay week.

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          • Re: Same old story

            I use actual envelopes because it is easier to keep track of. I don't have to remember to record every purchase in a virtual envelope. But whatever works for you, there you go.

            My freedom account money goes to savings where it earn interest. As to interest on the cash I pull out, I try to do all my shopping on pay day, so the money isn't sitting there collecting any interest for very long anyway. Plus, it is only 1% interest compared to all the money that was going on the CC putting us more and more in debt.

            I think it's a mindset. I figure what we were doing before wasn't working, so I had to completely re-vamp my system.

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            • Re: Same old story

              Originally posted by timetosave
              Thanks guys...the envelope system...having x amount sitting in an envelope and not in the bank earning interest is ok? I think that is what keeps throwing me...is this literal or is this a ledger concept...I've read several post that state they literally put money into an actual envelope...which is fine with me, I just want to make sure I am understanding the concept. Ok, so I need to figure out what my envelopes should be...I guess I can keep them in my little fireproof lock box, not sure where else I'd feel comfortable putting them. I'm working on the budget right now and should have it done in a few minutes...

              thanks

              Okay got a minute or two more here...

              I have my 'envelopes' so to speak on ING. I move my budget category money there every first of the month. ex: TimeshareTaxes2008= $36.00 gets moved into the subaccount so titled there. 120.00 Gasoline money doesn't. It sits in the checking and we use debit card and keep an eye out that we don't go over budget. Anything we're not going to need within the next 30 days goes to work earning us interest. It is a tiny bit labor intensive since my amounts fluctuate a bit so I don't have all categories set on automatic. Those that are fixed amounts I automatize! This place takes 2-4 days returning money to my checking so keep that in mind.

              I want our money to earn every cent I can get it out of it!

              Paychecks are direct deposited to MoneyMarket where it earns interest all month and then on the first I transfer all of last months income that we need into checking to pay for the upcoming month's bills.

              This is best explained by Jesse at:

              http://youneedabudget.com.

              Once you make the switch in your mind that "YOU are in charge of the money!!" ...and not the money in charge of you, you're on your way!

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              • Re: Same old story

                Payroll 525.32 into checking
                Car Payment (July) 489.98
                First Premier 23.51
                Leaves 11.83


                Payroll 150.00 into savings account
                Total visa 46.49
                660 visa 40.00
                Alternitaves Loan 25.01 PAID OFF
                Roamans 55.00
                Leaves 3.50



                I have an additional 200.00 sent to another checking account but that is for food/gas for the next two weeks...so I have a grand total of 15.33 to my name for two weeks.



                Also I have 50.00 bi-weekly put into a Fedility account (since January 1st) I also have several thousand in my CREFF account from a previous job.

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                • Re: Same old story

                  I love seeing your happy clappy smiling face for the Alternative loan being paid off! WooHoo!

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                  • Re: Same old story

                    Originally posted by Great to be Debt Free
                    I love seeing your happy clappy smiling face for the Alternative loan being paid off! WooHoo!

                    Well, it won't be done until Thursday, but it really feels good to have SOMETHING paid off...lol

                    Thanks

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                    • Re: Same old story

                      Maybe this will help some:

                      I pay cash for everything. I do not write checks or use my debit card, I pay cash. If I do not have the cash I do not spend it. I take out the amount I need for the month for gas (about 40 a week), spending 200 per month, and groceries 200 per month and that is all I get to spend for the month.

                      I store the money in a green coupon organizer. (Works similar to an envelope system. I found it at target for a buck. If anyone wants one let me know!) It has 8 different areas but I really only use 3 (spending, gas and groceries.) If I remove money from the “account” behind each tab in the organizer I write myself a note about how much I took out. I place the receipt and left over money back into that category. I keep the coin change into another bucket. Usually at the end of the month I have about $30 or more in change in those jars.

                      I automatically save money. When I was younger it might only have been about $10 a pay period but it happens automatically and goes into a bank that is difficult to get to, where my checking account is not located. I also use ING because of the auto with drawl features. It happens automatically and I worked the amount into my budget.

                      I write every standard bill (utilities, rent, credit card, gas, spending money, groceries, insurance) into my checking account each month automatically. I know how much I have budgeted for each expense so I can write it in. it ensures that no payment is ever missed or that I don’t know how much I have to move to my tertiary saving post monthly expenses.

                      I keep a very detailed budget. I write in the amounts I have each month (they are pretty much the same month to month) and once I have sent the payment in I high light is green and once it has cleared my checking account I high light it yellow. I can tell you at a glance which payments I have to make. If you would like a copy of my budget (about 3 pages) to give you an idea of items to consider let me know, I am happy to send it to you. Maybe the categories will inspire you about something you might not think about.

                      Included in my budget are categories for every monthly expense, but also for saving for various things: vacation, Christmas, school tuition and books, my new car account (future planning), my house down payment 9goal in 3 years to pay 30% of purchase price of my “dream” home, my “fun spending” account (not sure when I will use it but 10 a month goes here.

                      I pay as much as I can online with out having to write out checks. It is already listed in my check book register so I save money not having to write the checks or buy stamps.

                      If I grocery shop and save money in coupons etc I move that amount out of my grocery budget just like I used it and at the end of the month move that money into my vacation account. (I am going to visit my sister in November for two weeks and the entire vacation is paid for from my spare change fund and grocery savings account to the tune of about $1400!)

                      I listed my financial goals (quick, short term, medium term, long term) on a piece of paper that hangs on my wall, my desk, my checkbook, my debit card, my financial paper work. Etc. looking at that list keep me in track.

                      I never say “I can’t afford it” anymore. I only say: I choose to spend my money else where”. It has truly changed the way I think about my money.

                      I am worried about your car issue and hope that you can get that taken care of soon.

                      Welcome to the site. I hope that you will find the people and the information useful to you. Let me know if you want the budget to review. It might be helpful if you cannot really start one for 4 weeks. If you can use the next 4 weeks to track for all your expenses you will be in very good shape.

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                      • Re: Same old story

                        Debtfree, yes, yes, please send me a copy of your budget, I am having so much trouble trying to figure this out...just trying to figure out what should go where and how. Thank you for that.

                        My last car payment was in June, I just paid July and will pay August on the 7th (I will also pay September on the 7th if I can) if I can't it will be paid September 21st which will get me totally caught up on my car payment. I really have no reason/right to let that get behind, I actually do have the money to cover it, I've just never taken paying my bills seriously. That is all changing.

                        I'm so happy I've found this site. I just signed up on a small business fourm also to try and figure out other ways I can make money.

                        Thank you

                        Where has everybody gone?

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                        • Re: Same old story

                          TimeToSave,

                          We're here -- just most likely all of us are waiting to hear your next question and/or to see specifics like they asked for up front. It's hard to be helpful if we don't know facts to try to respond to.

                          I think what folks were wanting to hear from you is some of what you're trying to figure out on your own right now.

                          They want to know specifics such as:

                          Last month I spent x on groceries.
                          Clothing was X and was paid for in cash or CC.
                          Electricity was X.
                          Gasoline was X
                          Cable was X
                          CC#1 balance is X - min due X - payable on the X - interest rate is X and cycle is X - late payment fees are X
                          CC#2 ditto
                          cell phone is X I normally use X minutes Xmonths remaining on contract w/X penalty if I cancel.
                          Eating out is X a month
                          Groceries are X a month
                          Car balance is X - min due X - payable on the X - interest rate is X
                          Allowance was X or I don't have an allowance and X was blown on I can't figure out what!!
                          etc. -- stuff that you'll get from either a check register, receipts you can round up, or a CC statement/payment books.

                          Paycheck is X after taxes - I get paid X times a month on the ____ and ___.

                          If I'm understanding you correctly then SOME of these won't apply to you
                          as your husband takes care of some of those responsibilities.

                          I can understand. My situation is somewhat similar.

                          YOU may not be comfortable sharing all these facts with the world and that's okay, just understand it's harder to give you suggestions on what might help w/o the facts or a specific question needing a response.

                          Here are some of my PERSONAL budgeting categories which are different or duplicates from our HOUSEHOLD budgeting categories:

                          Tithe 10%
                          Cushion Cache:{what others call Emergency Funds - I don't want emergencies - so i don't call it that. 10%
                          Roth IRA: 10% or more if I can
                          Long Term Investment Opportunities:
                          Short Term Winter Seed (my own small savings goals): {this was saving for a dishwasher, but I got one on Freecycle, so now I'm saving for a new window for my bathroom! This is running about 3-5%.
                          Vacation:
                          Car Replacement Fund:
                          Misc.:
                          Allowance/Spending: 3%
                          Savings Bonds: {was doing I-bonds when the rate was up over 6 - now am having to rethink where this money will go.
                          Certificates of Deposit:
                          Emigrant Savings: {this is my retirement money that I intend to invest out from under the typical IRA/401k umbrella. For now it is too small to do what I want so it's here and growing, when it reaches a point it'll go into mutual funds.
                          Gifts:
                          Inventory: {my junque' booth
                          Groceries: {income for this is from T.Hubster + FrugalSon's Room & Board
                          Gasoline:
                          Kitty: {this is a few dollars left purposely in the chkg account to build the cushion there. When it grows to over $100, then it moves on to earn me dollars elsewhere. Our household kitty grows to over $500 then it also moves out of the ckg acct to other purposes.

                          I don't have a Debt Reduction category any more, but when I get change at the end of the week out of my allowance I hot foot it to the bank and send it to my retirement savings ASAP!


                          Some items not covered here because they are in the family budget such as clothes and car repair. Since you are working you'll probably want a Lunches Category for either eating out or brown-bagging.

                          If you pay for your daughters Riding Classes then that would need to be a Category.

                          We're here for you - let us know what help exactly you need.

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                          • Re: Same old story

                            Hi Lux, thanks for giving me an outline. I have no idea what I spent last month on anything...I've never paid attention but here goes on the other stuff

                            All clothing I've purchased for my dd has been paid for with cash, I have no idea how much I've spent altogether and do not have receipts...

                            Last month I spent about 465.00 on groceries

                            CC #1 Balance 299.81, Min Due 44.23 Payable on 8/21/06 Interest 19.92%

                            CC #2 Balance 261.49 Min Due 46.49 Payable on 8/15/06 Interest 19.92%

                            CC#3 Balance 259.51 Min Due 29.51 Payable on 8/18/06 Interest 19.90%

                            CC #4 Balance 502.55 Min Due 55.00 Payable on 8/28/06 Interest 22.8%

                            I have no idea what a cycle is or what the late payment fees will be

                            Cell Phone 337.71 (missed a month) normally use 1,000 minutes 9mths left on contract and no idea what the penalty is to cancel. But it is Cingular so I'm sure it is through the ceiling

                            Eating out = 2x mth 24.65 x 2 = 50.00 (pizza night)

                            Groceries are 400.00 monthly (it was 65.00 more last month because of dd's pool party) I'm exact on this because I have 200.00 bi-weekly put onto a pre-paid master card that I use ONLY for groceries)

                            Car balance 26,212.10 min due 489.91 (that will pay for August Payment - I just sent in a check for 489.91 the first day I joined this board dated for 8/24/06 for one payment - July)

                            I don't have an allowance...I have always just bought what I wanted to and later for the bills...I am here to change that.

                            I have to figure in Gas...it cost 45.00 to fill up my car so 90.00 monthly for gas.

                            My paycheck is 865.87 after taxes I get paid 2 times a month my next check is on the 24th.

                            I am fine sharing this with the world. I'm here for help so I will give you all the info I can, and thank you in advance for your help.



                            timetosave

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                            • Re: Same old story

                              Next Month:

                              I get paid on the 7th and the 21st 865.87 each
                              I get a check for 559.63 on the 7th (sometimes it gets here on the 9th)

                              I have signed up for surveys, am selling my 'stuff' off on ebay (not really seeing much money there) and looking into taking the H&R Block class and will continue looking for ways to make more money.

                              thanks everybody

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                              • Re: Same old story

                                September income: $2291.37

                                Credit card payments (total): $175.53
                                Car payment: $489.91
                                Cell phone: $337.71
                                Total contractual debts: $1002.85

                                Money left: $1288.52

                                Groceries: $400
                                Eating out: $50
                                Gas: $90

                                Money left: $748.52

                                What else do you *have* to pay for (i.e. what doesn't your DH cover)? If there is nothing else, you could theoretically pay off a couple of credit cards with the money leftover here.

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