Obama or McCain

[ActYourWage]

Please explain why "killing an unborn baby" is acceptable in the case of rape or incest.

You missunderstood me, I didn't mean it was right to kill unborn babies. I was asking to give me ONE reason it was acceptable besides using the same old argument people like to use and that is rape or incest as their logic. I am not for abortion. I am sorry if I was misleading or unclear.

[PrincessPerky]

. I was asking to give me ONE reason it was acceptable .

how about when baby is killing momma and will not live outside the womb?

I hope I am never faced with that choice, but I can tell you as a mother of 4, being pregnant is VERY hard..... your own health is tied to that baby. and the body doesn't always work right. I can also say again as a mother I would not want to die with my unborn leaving the other four motherless.

While I personally am very much against even the morning after pill, I will not take that choice away from another woman.

[ActYourWage]

Life is not all about money....until you dont have any, that is

I have no problem with people voting based purely on what they think about...say...abortion.

However, how many years have you or others cast your vote based on abortion?
Now, how many years and presidents have gone by...and it is still legal?

Question 1: I have voted for 12 years.

Question 2: 35 years and probably 6 or 7. Why would that matter how I vote. I still vote the same.

[zooracer]

The most important part of this campaign in my eyes is how McCain and his team have had to resort to smear attacks on Obama's character. They don't have a strong message, so they're resorting to tearing down the other guy.

The issue is McCain doesn't have much to offer as president. He's a war hero and I commend him for that, but history has shown being a war hero doesn't automatically qualify you to be a good president. He is and acts old. He does not inspire when he speaks. And he doesn't really propose many differences from George W. Bush's failed policies.

As far as economics is concerned, McCain himself admitted that economics wasn't his strong suit.

While it may be true that McCain's camp has done some smearing...you have to admit that Obama has made it kind of easy for them.

What with his minister and campaign advisor being a racist (and a hypocrit...what with his million dollar home in a predominantly white neighborhood), his spouses comments about "this is the first time I'm proud of our country", Obama's speech at Harvard?...about how the students should not pursue the American Dream with it's fancy cars and big houses (of course, last years income tax statement show that he, in fact, IS livng the American Dream at over 4 MILLION for the year ), and on and on and on....

And what does an ability to "inspire" people with speech's really have to do with ANYTHING?

Depending on the strength of ones mind, I'm sure Kermit the frog could inspire a good portion of the population....just not sure how this is anything meaningful.
What will it inspire you or me to do? Work harder? Save more money? Depend more on the federal govt. ? What exactly?

Neither McCain nor Obama are equipped to lead this country.

Unfortunately, they are our only choice.

And McCain does not have to know a darn thing about the economy...only his advisor's do
And they now something, as I heard his speech on CNBC a couple months ago and he literally said all of the right things....

So, he gets my vote.

[ActYourWage]

how about when baby is killing momma and will not live outside the womb?

I hope I am never faced with that choice, but I can tell you as a mother of 4, being pregnant is VERY hard..... your own health is tied to that baby. and the body doesn't always work right. I can also say again as a mother I would not want to die with my unborn leaving the other four motherless.

While I personally am very much against even the morning after pill, I will not take that choice away from another woman.

Speaking of choice, doesn't having a baby require a man to produce the necessary elements (or what ever the medical terms) to produce a baby. Why does the man not have a choice?

The question you asked is a very serious concern and I would not know how to answer.

[rennigade]

I'm glad I am alive and will be able to witness the first african american as president of the United States of America!

[sweeps]

And what does an ability to "inspire" people with speech's really have to do with ANYTHING?

It means EVERYTHING.

Dust off your civics book -- Congress makes the laws. If you want a law changed, lobby your congressman.

The President's most important job is to inspire confidence and action. Both from his own citizens and from leaders abroad. Ronald Reagan was one of these people. So was Bill Clinton. Obama has similar qualities.

McCain does not. Again, I have no problem with McCain personally, but he's not Presidential material -- just like George W before him.

[sweeps]

Moral issues are my number one priority on which I vote. Abortion is a deal breaker for me. I am very Pro Life. May God help us.

God help us is right. These shortcuts to thinking are very scary.

[Gruntina]

how about when baby is killing momma and will not live outside the womb?

I hope I am never faced with that choice, but I can tell you as a mother of 4, being pregnant is VERY hard..... your own health is tied to that baby. and the body doesn't always work right. I can also say again as a mother I would not want to die with my unborn leaving the other four motherless.

While I personally am very much against even the morning after pill, I will not take that choice away from another woman.

In this case, the procedure is done by induced labor and not by abortion. By the time you find out the baby is not going to live and will cause harm, it is too late for an abortion.

[zooracer]

It means EVERYTHING.

Dust off your civics book -- Congress makes the laws. If you want a law changed, lobby your congressman.

The President's most important job is to inspire confidence and action. Both from his own citizens and from leaders abroad. Ronald Reagan was one of these people. So was Bill Clinton. Obama has similar qualities.

McCain does not. Again, I have no problem with McCain personally, but he's not Presidential material -- just like George W before him.

So your answer to exactly WHAT it is we are supposed to be inspired to do by a president whose speech's inspire....is....confidence and action?

Pretty vague.

Confidence in our govt.? Action for what?

I'm sorry, but if your one of the sheeple out there who swoon when a presidential candidate speaks...well...I guess we cant have a further discussion on this as we are on two completely different levels.

And, leaders abroad are concerned with themselves and the benefits for their own country...nothing else. It is business, nothing more.
Whether they like us or hate us, they will still do business with us if they can.

And, despite how inspiring Reagan or Clinton may have been, the terrorists continued to attack us...These countries will always hate us. Even if Obama gets in.

Do you mean inspire in the way that Boosh convinced 75% of congress to vote for the Iraq war? Inspire to action?

Wait, I thought he was not an inspirational speaker....

My advice is not to vote based on personalities...but on the direction each candidate plans to take the country and the METHODS with which he proposes to do so.

[ActYourWage]

God help us is right. These shortcuts to thinking are very scary.

What do you mean by these shortcuts to thinking are very scary?

[prosper]

So your answer to exactly WHAT it is we are supposed to be inspired to do by a president whose speech's inspire....is....confidence and action?

Pretty vague.

Confidence in our govt.? Action for what?

I'm sorry, but if your one of the sheeple out there who swoon when a presidential candidate speaks...well...I guess we cant have a further discussion on this as we are on two completely different levels.

And, leaders abroad are concerned with themselves and the benefits for their own country...nothing else. It is business, nothing more.
Whether they like us or hate us, they will still do business with us if they can.

And, despite how inspiring Reagan or Clinton may have been, the terrorists continued to attack us...These countries will always hate us. Even if Obama gets in.

Do you mean inspire in the way that Boosh convinced 75% of congress to vote for the Iraq war? Inspire to action?

Wait, I thought he was not an inspirational speaker....

My advice is not to vote based on personalities...but on the direction each candidate plans to take the country and the METHODS with which he proposes to do so.

I have to agree that inspiration is everything. I use to be a personal trainer and 80% of my job was to motivate and inspire. Sure, I put a exercise plan together and was organized. But all of that is nothing if you can't motivate someone. Like it or not, the next president of this country has to be a motivator. Agree or disagree with their content, Suze Orman and Dave Ramsey are motivators.

[sweeps]

if your one of the sheeple out there

Like it or not, most people are "sheeple". They get easily swayed by things like 10-second soundbites and bogus mass emails.

In the final analysis, democrats and republicans aren't really that different. On most issues they argue at the margins: "The tax rate should be 28%!!" "No it should be 26%!!" "Everyone should get a rebate of $300!!" "No it should be $600!!" "We MUST be out of Iraq in 18 months!!" "No, we should TRY to be out of Iraq in 18 months!" "Tastes great!!" "Less filling!!"

It's not nearly as important what the President does as it is what the 290 million people in this country do. When people are convinced that we are moving in the right direction and they are motivated to be cooperative and productive, that is when the country is at it's best and most prosperous.

[tmango]

I have to say, without disclosing any personal choice about who to vote for. (i am not sure) I am very disappointed in Mccains smear campaigns and adverts. It seems, although maybe I am mistaken, Mccain seems to be running a far "dirtier" campaign than Obama. I cant stand ads that just bash the other guy/girl. Tell me what you want to do, not this youtube crap.

[maat55]

[QUOTE]

I don't see this as a single issue, I see it as a women's right issue:

If you are voting for Obama based only on abortion rights, you are voting one issue. Womens rights, give me a break.

You say that you don't support abortion as birth control, but McCain also opposes birth control:

McCain opposed to requiring contraceptive coverage by health plans and favors abstinence-only sex education. (source)

He's voted against funding teen pregnancy programs:

Nancy Keenan, president of NARAL Pro-Choice America, says her group has always considered McCain pro-life as well. And it's not just abortion, she says.

"He voted against family planning, he voted against the freedom of access to clinic entrances — that was about violence against women in clinics," Keenan says, adding, "He voted against funding for teen pregnancy-prevention programs, and making sure that abstinence only was medically accurate. This is very, very extreme." (source

It is not MCCains or the Governments job to teach your daughter not to get pregnant. And by the way, abstinence works 100% of the time.

So I tend to see it as a bigger issue of women's rights, but this is an issue that people can see his record and decide whether they support it or not. I think we agree here that McCain and Obama have fundemental differences on this issue and we just have different opinions on which is correct, but that these are extremely important for this election because of the likely retirement of 2 Supreme Court justices which will make the views whoever is President the law in the US. If you are against choice, sex education and a woman's right to use birth control, you should vote for McCain. I happen to believe these are women's rights and that is why I support Obama.

I am against killing fetuses, not choice. Sex education is for the parents. We did our job right at home and have proper daughters. I don't think for a second that birth control will end during a McCain presidency.

McCain doesn't see the Iraq issue coming to an end, at least from the statements he's made. While I do believe his "maybe for 100 more years" comment about staying in Iraq has been taken out of context, he wants a permanent presence in Iraq so I'm not sure where you come with this idea that the issue is coming to an end in his opinion. He has been adamant that we stay there, but hasn't given specific circumstances when we would be ready to leave except "when we have won" which he refuses to define. Obama has always said we should focus on Afghanistan and the people that committed 9-11. McCain was against this until recently.

We are still in Germany and Japan, maybe we should not have fought WWII.

I

think we just disagree on what is better judgement. I base my judgement that Obama would be better because Obama got Iraq right saying we should have not gone there in the first place and Afghanistan right (where we said we should be concentrating) while McCain didn't.

Easy for him to say after the fact. My guess is he would have voted to not go to war with Japan also.

This is an argument that really iritrates me. Obama is not Carter.

I'll give you this one. But I still would not vote for him based on his positions.