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    New to site, been on a 6 year journey out of debt. It was 2012, I was aware that I was having health issues and my working days were at a cross roads. I felt that something physically was wrong. I decided to retire, I always wanted to take an early retirement but was not a great financial planner. I volunteered for the ongoing RIFs that my company had been offering to downsize/rightsize or whatever you want to call it. I was given a severance package, tenured into the pension plan & was a few years away from Social Security. I had invested somewhat in the 401K plan so I wasn't destitute.

    After I retired, took a nationwide vacation for almost a month, paid off some of my debt, less than I should have but thinking I was bullet proof I figured my income would sustain me until I could add SS. Health issues raised it's ugly head. It was Sept '12, subsequently I spend the next 9 months having surgery, doing treatment & attending rehabilitation. June of 2013 was my release date. I took stock of my finances, I had no mortgage, 2 auto loans, 1 personal loan & a group of credit cards, VISAs, MasterCards, AMEX & 2 retail stores along with 2 gas cards. All told with the medical bills, (2 years of co-pays because the timing of my treatment) I was in debt to the tune of $63,000, 40% of it was medical co-pays,remember I had no mortgage. Of the remaining $39,000 half was unsecured the rest was secured.

    I was dumbfounded & looked for any relief I could find. To make a long story short, I read Dave Ramsay, Suze Orme, Howard Clark,,,etc. Everything I could think of. I cut up my cards, canceled accounts with no balances (not many). Started my first real dedicated budget. It now has become my lifeline, changed many times over the 6 years, after deciding to go on a cash only basis I started on the 'snowball' path but needed more motivation so changed over to pay the lowest balances first (ignored the interest rates). I did pay a little more than minimum on the higher balances but worked to pay the lower ones first. I found it gave me more satisfaction to see the closed sign on them as I progressed. The gas cards went first then I worked on the retail cards next. Following success with those I started working on the credit cards, they were all about the same interest rate so I paid the lowest balances first.

    It took about 2 years to wipe out 7 cards ($14,800). I was left with my auto loans & 1 large personal loan (household goods) the auto loans were low interest & bank financed so I wanted to show a longer term for credit reasons. It took 14 months to pay off the personal ($5,400) leaving my auto loans ($16,000) for last. I finally paid them sold one (didn't need 2 being retired). It's been since my payoff. My credit had taken some dings at first because of the medical I had reached an average of 580 at all three bureaus. I had swallowed my pride, I had called my credit cards, but only one would work with me. Luckily it was the largest. The other 6 refused & I believe that they may have been the reason my credit was dropping. All I was asking was a break on my rates & a workable repayment plan. My income was limited but at least we could eat, no vacations or extras. I had set aside an emergency fund to avoid disaster. Watched my health, exercised, ate properly & limited my entertainment.

    Over the last year and half I had decided to re-enter the credit life once again. I was approved for a low limit ($500) card. It was a rewards card, I kept it paid off, usually only used for my utilities. I did pocket about $75 in rewards my first 12 months but the card carried a $39 annual fee. I still have the card, now with a higher limit but still pay it off monthly. I learned to carry a 10% utilization rather than zero, it would ding my FICO because of the debt to limit ratio was always zero. They want you to have a little debt for a good score. I opened another card 6 months ago it is also a rewards card. It has a much higher limit & no yearly fees. I buy all the groceries & dining with that card getting 3% for dining & 2% for groceries, over the six months I was able to pocket a little more that $100. I now get about $5 from the first card & $12 from the monthly close to $200. No interest, that equates to about $150 annually after the $39 fee.

    Last month I opened an Amazon Prime account I applied for & was accepted for a Amazon store card that gives 5% back on all purchases. Something I use pretty regularly. I also opened an on line bank account to pay off all the credit balances along with keeping my current Credit Union account (Social Security, pension & 401k) away from possible hacking, still get all the cash available at the end of the month for my savings account (another local Credit Union), emergencies & petty cash fund. Just this AM I applied for and was approved for my third card MC from a national issuer, it will also be a rewards card. I cut the cord 3 years ago for my TV went to on line streaming saved another $80 a month. I have a wireless account that has no contract with limited talk/text/data cost is less than $50. It's turned into a bookkeeping nightmare that I understand.

    My FICO scores are all now in the low 700's, Not having a mortgage or auto loan does hinder the FICO scores a little but the benefit of not having massive debt is reward enough. Lessons learned was use only debt you can afford to pay off each month. Use the rewards to offset the prices & fees, pay cash when it's convenient. Saving for big ticket items, avoid long term loans. Keep auto loans to a 3 year maximum, buy used. Plan for the worst, hope for the best, definitely do comparison shopping when able to. STAY OUT OF DEBT!

  • #2
    Originally posted by duckfan View Post
    New to site, been on a 6 year journey out of debt. It was 2012, I was aware that I was having health issues and my working days were at a cross roads. I felt that something physically was wrong. I decided to retire, I always wanted to take an early retirement but was not a great financial planner. I volunteered for the ongoing RIFs that my company had been offering to downsize/rightsize or whatever you want to call it. I was given a severance package, tenured into the pension plan & was a few years away from Social Security. I had invested somewhat in the 401K plan so I wasn't destitute.

    After I retired, took a nationwide vacation for almost a month, paid off some of my debt, less than I should have but thinking I was bullet proof I figured my income would sustain me until I could add SS. Health issues raised it's ugly head. It was Sept '12, subsequently I spend the next 9 months having surgery, doing treatment & attending rehabilitation. June of 2013 was my release date. I took stock of my finances, I had no mortgage, 2 auto loans, 1 personal loan & a group of credit cards, VISAs, MasterCards, AMEX & 2 retail stores along with 2 gas cards. All told with the medical bills, (2 years of co-pays because the timing of my treatment) I was in debt to the tune of $63,000, 40% of it was medical co-pays,remember I had no mortgage. Of the remaining $39,000 half was unsecured the rest was secured.

    I was dumbfounded & looked for any relief I could find. To make a long story short, I read Dave Ramsay, Suze Orme, Howard Clark,,,etc. Everything I could think of. I cut up my cards, canceled accounts with no balances (not many). Started my first real dedicated budget. It now has become my lifeline, changed many times over the 6 years, after deciding to go on a cash only basis I started on the 'snowball' path but needed more motivation so changed over to pay the lowest balances first (ignored the interest rates). I did pay a little more than minimum on the higher balances but worked to pay the lower ones first. I found it gave me more satisfaction to see the closed sign on them as I progressed. The gas cards went first then I worked on the retail cards next. Following success with those I started working on the credit cards, they were all about the same interest rate so I paid the lowest balances first.

    It took about 2 years to wipe out 7 cards ($14,800). I was left with my auto loans & 1 large personal loan (household goods) the auto loans were low interest & bank financed so I wanted to show a longer term for credit reasons. It took 14 months to pay off the personal ($5,400) leaving my auto loans ($16,000) for last. I finally paid them sold one (didn't need 2 being retired). It's been since my payoff. My credit had taken some dings at first because of the medical I had reached an average of 580 at all three bureaus. I had swallowed my pride, I had called my credit cards, but only one would work with me. Luckily it was the largest. The other 6 refused & I believe that they may have been the reason my credit was dropping. All I was asking was a break on my rates & a workable repayment plan. My income was limited but at least we could eat, no vacations or extras. I had set aside an emergency fund to avoid disaster. Watched my health, exercised, ate properly & limited my entertainment.

    Over the last year and half I had decided to re-enter the credit life once again. I was approved for a low limit ($500) card. It was a rewards card, I kept it paid off, usually only used for my utilities. I did pocket about $75 in rewards my first 12 months but the card carried a $39 annual fee. I still have the card, now with a higher limit but still pay it off monthly. I learned to carry a 10% utilization rather than zero, it would ding my FICO because of the debt to limit ratio was always zero. They want you to have a little debt for a good score. I opened another card 6 months ago it is also a rewards card. It has a much higher limit & no yearly fees. I buy all the groceries & dining with that card getting 3% for dining & 2% for groceries, over the six months I was able to pocket a little more that $100. I now get about $5 from the first card & $12 from the monthly close to $200. No interest, that equates to about $150 annually after the $39 fee.

    Last month I opened an Amazon Prime account I applied for & was accepted for a Amazon store card that gives 5% back on all purchases. Something I use pretty regularly. I also opened an on line bank account to pay off all the credit balances along with keeping my current Credit Union account (Social Security, pension & 401k) away from possible hacking, still get all the cash available at the end of the month for my savings account (another local Credit Union), emergencies & petty cash fund. Just this AM I applied for and was approved for my third card MC from a national issuer, it will also be a rewards card. I cut the cord 3 years ago for my TV went to on line streaming saved another $80 a month. I have a wireless account that has no contract with limited talk/text/data cost is less than $50. It's turned into a bookkeeping nightmare that I understand.

    My FICO scores are all now in the low 700's, Not having a mortgage or auto loan does hinder the FICO scores a little but the benefit of not having massive debt is reward enough. Lessons learned was use only debt you can afford to pay off each month. Use the rewards to offset the prices & fees, pay cash when it's convenient. Saving for big ticket items, avoid long term loans. Keep auto loans to a 3 year maximum, buy used. Plan for the worst, hope for the best, definitely do comparison shopping when able to. STAY OUT OF DEBT!
    Welcome on board, you'll fit right in.
    james.c.hendrickson@gmail.com
    202.468.6043

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    • #3
      Welcome to the forum. I recommend asking questions and getting opinions. It really helps to get multiple points of view on these things to be able to make well-informed decisions. And remember, we don't know you, so the answers we give are largely based on experience and assumption. Don't take anything personally.

      Originally posted by duckfan View Post
      My FICO scores are all now in the low 700's, Not having a mortgage or auto loan does hinder the FICO scores a little but the benefit of not having massive debt is reward enough. Lessons learned was use only debt you can afford to pay off each month. Use the rewards to offset the prices & fees, pay cash when it's convenient. Saving for big ticket items, avoid long term loans. Keep auto loans to a 3 year maximum, buy used. Plan for the worst, hope for the best, definitely do comparison shopping when able to. STAY OUT OF DEBT!
      From what I gathered, the moral of your story that you seem to be making is make better choices to have a good credit score. I would be cautious addressing your finances from a credit score perspective. While I understand the desire to have good credit(it sucks being denied when you do apply, it's a form of rejection), you only typically only need credit to get into debt.

      To clear up a common misconception (by action, not by words), credit is not the lifeline of your finances, your income, or more specifically, your cash flow is. Most folks today are broke because they have no cash flow, not because they have no income or because they have debt. In your case, you likely only have the income you will ever have unless you decide to work, so you must guard that carefully. You have a good enough score to buy what you need, but don't focus on building that score. I would recommend you focus on building your cash flow (reduce spending and debt), and if you have it as big as you can get it then I would guard that with everything. Avoid any extra payments unless it's short term.

      Also, carrying a balance and reporting a balance to credit are NOT the same thing. Carrying a balance means you are letting purchases go from one statement to another, likely incurring interest. The key is to just show activity on the card, so make sure the statement balance is paid in full and let some purchases flow over the statement date to be reported. Just don't pay interest! I do this to show activity, but I don't pay a dime.

      Also, Welcome to the rewards card club lol.
      Everything happens for a reason. Sometimes that reason is you're stupid and make bad choices.

      Current Occupation: Spending every dollar before I die

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      • #4
        @GoodSteward - With my secured income my cash flow allows me to have a little higher than normal lifestyle than is enjoyed by many retired seniors, or so the examples I have to draw from indicate. What a FICO score could affect is my ability to find a decent rent or space for my MH. Also it helps with auto/life/home insurance rates. I only spend what I can pay off each month. The game I refer is the credit rating game.

        It's all about timing. Having 3 credit cards is better than none. Having only one retail card is also better than having 3. Not having a mortgage also drops my score as does not having an auto loan. My statement date is around the 25th of the month, my balances are reported to the 3 CRB's at that time. Then a few days later I pay off the balance but if I don't charge up to 10% before the next statement date, my score will drop about 50-65 points. Somehow a paid off account is detrimental.

        My score is also determined by the length of time I have my accounts open, I made the mistake of canceling them when I was on my payoff journey. I should have kept them open. I play the rewards game with the 3 cards I have now, it makes a small return but does offset any fees. I use store loyalty cards & the credit cards to maximize my rewards. I play the senior card & offer to pay cash if they will give me a discount, it has worked a few times. Mostly pay cash at the gas pump, some stations have a cash price as well as a credit price its usually better than using a rewards card.

        Thanks for the advice though.

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        • #5
          I am not a fan of juggling multiple rewards cards. I have several, but I only use one as my daily driver.

          I'm not against getting a good score, in fact, I am a fan of it. I was just stating that guarding your cash flow is more important. Typically, you have to use debt to build credit, and I wouldn't want you getting caught up in that and making mistakes. Sliding a card isn't paying for anything. It's owing. It isn't paid for until you pay that card for it. Glad to see you have a good handle on the cards.

          Just keep each card's balance, and total balance to limits of all cards below 10%. I make regular payments to my card to make sure the balance stays lower, especially before a statement date to keep that sub 10% threshold.
          Everything happens for a reason. Sometimes that reason is you're stupid and make bad choices.

          Current Occupation: Spending every dollar before I die

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          • #6
            Good job on paying off the debts.

            One question I have is why so focused on your credit score?

            A credit score is just one small part of an overall financial plan. I wouldn't focus on one small part of an overall goal. The ultimate goal and point of focus should be to pay off debts and build wealth. I've never really focused on my score and it is over 800. It sort of takes care of itself once you pay off your debt. Focusing in on my score may have helped me focus on debt repayment, but it wouldn't have done anything for wealth building. There is six figures in my one brokerage account, and the credit bureaus couldn't care less. Consequently, I don't really care about them.
            Brian

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            • #7
              @GoodSteward, @BJ1584 You both make good points, my goal is not wealth building it is getting clear of all debt. I guess I was too focused on my score, that being the most available resource I have available. My pension & Social Security are both fixed income sources that are fixed at annual rates. I assumed that maintaining scores at my level (700) are sustainable for my 'Golden Years'. Thanks for the input, I'll try to quit obsessing about it from here on.

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              • #8
                Welcome. I have never understood why some are so entranced with their credit score, that it takes precedence over everything else in their financial planning. It will take care of itself over time.

                I'm not sure why you have so many credit cards, except for that credit score thing. Other than one or two rewards cards, I don't see the point of dealing with all of them. At least don't carry them with you so there is less chance of getting them stolen, either physically or by a skimmer. I got an RFID wallet about a month ago. First time I tried to use it, it proved itself to me as I was holding the wallet just inches from the card scanner, and none of my cards would go through until I smartened up and put the wallet in my pocket, then no problem. Didn't realize until then how easy it would be for those skimmer folks to get my account numbers. That is just a freebie bit of advice.

                Great job in paying off all that debt!
                Gailete
                http://www.MoonwishesSewingandCrafts.com

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                • #9
                  Welcome! Congratulations on getting rid of your debt. I, too, was forced into an early retirement due to health reasons. It turns your world upside down for a while. This board is very helpful.

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