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    I am stressed, confused, and need some advice on what to do with my rental condo.

    I have owned it for the last 11 years and rented it for the last 3.5. It is in a good location and I've never had trouble renting it in the past. The plan has always been to keep the condo as a rental forever and let the tenants pay off the mortgage. The first three years of renting have been very smooth. I've had issues - leaks, appliances, etc, but nothing I couldn't handle. This year is different. In January my tenants alerted me to a mice problem, and despite my and property engineer's best efforts we have not been able to get rid of them - or so my tenant says. We moved all the appliances in the kitchen twice, sealing holes in walls, went over all the closets, put poison underneath the stove, etc.etc. Still, the tenant kept coming back with very dramatic emails, claiming mice are still there, that they are a health hazard, that he is suffering a great deal of anxiety, etc. Finally, he gave me notice that he has decided to move out at the end of March. We suspect he overstated the problem in order to get out of the lease, but I let him out of the lease nevertheless. Frankly, this two-month back-and-forth has exhausted me a bit. I pride myself on being a very diligent landlord and always maintaining my property in tip-top shape, and it appears I have failed (or been played - not sure which). I am now faced with the choice of whether to rent the apartment again in April, or to sell the place.

    On the financial side of things, the rent I currently get exceeds all the expenses by about $150/mo, plus I get a tax deduction on it, as well as free parking at the complex (helpful b/c it is close to the subway). Renting in April may not bring me as much money (I rented it in June in the past), but I will still likely be in the black. There is, however, a virtual certainty that I will loose at least one month of rent, since I need to bring the place into shape - my tenants were very messy. I could possibly loose two months if I can't find a tenant quickly.
    The alternative option - selling - is easier in April than renting, and I will most likely be in the black, but after considering the closing costs, taxes, etc. it will not be that much - may be $30K or so. Still, it would be enough cash to get my emergency fund to its target of 8-months worth of expenses, and leave around $20K for other investments.

    So the question I need help on is - should I keep it or should I sell? I know the right thing to do is to keep it, clean it, fix it, and rent it out. But there's so much hassle that goes with that plan, and I'm just very tired of it all right now.

    Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

  • #2
    Hi optimist....just for clarification, was there any physical evidence (dead mice) ever produced to confirm the mice problem? Have other condo owners complained of a rodent problem?

    I'm just wondering if the tenant just wanted to break the lease.

    If it's just a case of one mouse was discovered, and the situation is overstated, we're now just back to a discussion of simply whether you want to get out of the condo rental business because tenants will come and go.

    cheers
    michael

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    • #3
      Originally posted by mholl95 View Post
      Hi optimist....just for clarification, was there any physical evidence (dead mice) ever produced to confirm the mice problem? Have other condo owners complained of a rodent problem?

      I'm just wondering if the tenant just wanted to break the lease.

      If it's just a case of one mouse was discovered, and the situation is overstated, we're now just back to a discussion of simply whether you want to get out of the condo rental business because tenants will come and go.

      cheers
      michael
      There was evidence of mice - the building engineer saw the droppings behind the fridge the first time he went. Other owners have mentioned this problem, but all have said that it went away after one treatment. We did three, and the problem allegedly persisted. Not sure...

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      • #4
        Thanks optimist....so it sounds like this is the first problem you've had with a tenant. Certainly, if you're not confident that rodent issue has been resolved, then selling it may be the right thing to do.

        Your numbers look great! But I'm getting the impression that you no longer want to be in the rental business. Am I wrong?

        Have you considered having someone or a condo management company take care of things?

        As you already know, when renting property there's no guarantee that you're going to get long term tenants who will treat your property like its their own.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by optimist View Post
          ... my tenants were very messy.
          Were they feeding the mice? Maybe not intentionally, but not cleaning up after themselves would continually attract mice. Getting rid of that tenant may solve your problem. Screen your next tenant carefully.

          I have no interest being in the rental business, but I know it can be lucrative for the right kind of person.

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          • #6
            Great point autoxer....that's why at my own home, I either put food scraps in the garbage disposal or straight into a closed-lid garbage bin that sits in my garage.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by autoxer View Post
              Were they feeding the mice? Maybe not intentionally, but not cleaning up after themselves would continually attract mice. Getting rid of that tenant may solve your problem. Screen your next tenant carefully.

              I have no interest being in the rental business, but I know it can be lucrative for the right kind of person.
              Oh, the place was a mess! I'm sure mice found it very attractive.
              I did screen this tenant carefully - he is an attorney, had a great credit score, no criminal record, and his previous landlord had rave reviews. It's impossible to screen for messiness or lack of honesty.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by mholl95 View Post
                Thanks optimist....so it sounds like this is the first problem you've had with a tenant. Certainly, if you're not confident that rodent issue has been resolved, then selling it may be the right thing to do.

                Your numbers look great! But I'm getting the impression that you no longer want to be in the rental business. Am I wrong?

                Have you considered having someone or a condo management company take care of things?

                As you already know, when renting property there's no guarantee that you're going to get long term tenants who will treat your property like its their own.
                Thank you for your thoughtful response. I will verify whether the rodent issue has been resolved by setting the traps as soon as the tenants leave. If nothing is caught within a couple of weeks, I think it is safe to assume the rodents are gone.
                I am reluctant to hire a management company because I can do everything they do, only much better. I respond to tenants faster, I put out better advertisements, I evaluate tenants personally. I trust me more, basically. And I would like to continue doing it, I'm just wondering whether the numbers justify the stress and the effort. Plus, it is tempting to just cash in and be done.

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                • #9
                  I think at this point it comes down to a personal choice. Your numbers look great from an objective standpoint.

                  The only other issue that popped into my head was the status of the real estate market in your area. If the outlook is stagnant and condos are rampant, then selling yours might be wise.

                  On the other hand, if the market demand for condos is ticking up, then it may be better to hold on to it for a little while longer for maximum profit.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by mholl95 View Post
                    I think at this point it comes down to a personal choice. Your numbers look great from an objective standpoint.

                    The only other issue that popped into my head was the status of the real estate market in your area. If the outlook is stagnant and condos are rampant, then selling yours might be wise.

                    On the other hand, if the market demand for condos is ticking up, then it may be better to hold on to it for a little while longer for maximum profit.
                    The prices are definitely on the way up in our area this year. Our condo market is somewhat behind our SFH market, which has been really strong in the last 3 years, but the condos are beginning to catch up.
                    So, anxiety aside, you would hold on to the property based on the numbers? I would hate to be the looser who bailed because of the lack of stamina.

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                    • #11
                      If this is the first time you've encountered an issue with a tenant, I would say to take a deep breath and make sure the mice issue is resolved. I think this will allow you to make the next decision with more confidence...whether it's to sell or not.

                      Based on the information you've provided, I'd be more inclined to keep it. And that's primarily based on the increasing market value of the property. This may also allow you to increase the rent.

                      Finally, by taking a deep breath and not making a hasty decision, you'll be able to calmly decide if you REALLY REALLY want to remain in the rental business or take your profits and put that money in other investments.

                      Cheers
                      michael

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                      • #12
                        By the way, I don't know if you're doing this, but I would also suggest that you put the extra money you get from the rent and taxes into a separate bank account that is only used to cover property maintenance, unrented months, etc. And make sure the account always has a minimum balance in it, such as $5000. This way, you won't have to worry about issues with the condo slamming your regular household budget.

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                        • #13
                          If you don't find evidence of mice during the month or so of down time that you expect to have, then I'd assume it's ok and go ahead and rent again. While you can't screen for cleanliness, you can certainly have language in your lease that allows for an inspection every so often and then either do a site inspection yourself or have someone you trust do it for you. The lease can also contain language that says things like exterminators come at the expense of the tenant. If they're messy enough to cause a rodent or roach problem, then I believe they can be required to pay for it (though I guess this might vary depending on state or local laws).

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by mholl95 View Post
                            By the way, I don't know if you're doing this, but I would also suggest that you put the extra money you get from the rent and taxes into a separate bank account that is only used to cover property maintenance, unrented months, etc. And make sure the account always has a minimum balance in it, such as $5000. This way, you won't have to worry about issues with the condo slamming your regular household budget.
                            I have an emergency fund set up for this among other things, so this is not coming out of the household budget. Still, it sucks because the emergency fund will of course have to be replenished.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by mholl95 View Post
                              If this is the first time you've encountered an issue with a tenant, I would say to take a deep breath and make sure the mice issue is resolved. I think this will allow you to make the next decision with more confidence...whether it's to sell or not.

                              Based on the information you've provided, I'd be more inclined to keep it. And that's primarily based on the increasing market value of the property. This may also allow you to increase the rent.

                              Finally, by taking a deep breath and not making a hasty decision, you'll be able to calmly decide if you REALLY REALLY want to remain in the rental business or take your profits and put that money in other investments.

                              Cheers
                              michael
                              Thank you. This really helps.

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