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  • A good compromise?

    We have been looking into buying a house for a few years now and haven't for many reasons - We live in a HCOLA, the housing market here has yet to be affected by any housing crisis and we live in Europe, there is a real housing shortage, so the houses available are nothing that we have really felt was worth the money.

    My husband really wants a house -- I feel like it can wait. We are currently expecting our second child and trying to prepare.

    The situation:

    We rent a little townhouse which is enough for what we need but lacks in a few perks - like no yard, one room too few, not great ventilation. But overall we are comfortable here. We rent from the city - a foreign concept I know - but really a good thing because they take really good care of the apartments (If the city messes up as a landlord it makes the front page of the paper, so they are very on top of things). The rent is also fixed and we are part of a renters union that negotiates any rent increases any year. We count on about a 1.5% increase each year. Our rent includes heat and hot water, basic cable and parking.

    We have the opportunity to rent a larger freestanding house and are now considering if it is worth it or not. The house is bigger, with an extra room and a much larger living area. There is also a really nice backyard that is well landscaped. It is in a really nice neighborhood that feeds into a nicer school system than where we live now (Our oldest is 3 so not a huge concern, but still). We could never afford to buy in this area, but the rent is doable. The costs will be about 500 dollars more per month than we pay now. Rent does not include heat or hot water, but we have gotten an assessment about what that might cost. It is really nice and we really like it. The landlord is a private landlord, they live in an apartment in the city center. It is their first time renting something out. I actually know them from work, so I think they will be reliable, but there will be a different level of service. Rent is still set by certain limitations, and if they do something there, we can always use our union to get our money back (happens a lot here, if you set your rent too high - there are strict rules for rent based on quality of the apartment)

    Is it worth it to make the move?

    Our situation: We are in the black. The only debt we carry is student loans, 25,000 and we have about 50,000 in savings. We also have unemployment insurance and national health care - so while we are saving for emergencies, we do have good coverage for some emergencies.

    We are expecting our second, but will be on paid leave for 12 months, so no big income hit. We also do not pay much for daycare and that expense can be covered by the child allowence we get. So financially I think we are sound.

    We do like to travel a lot, living abroad we have a lot of family to visit, we have special savings to travel and with one more kid travel will get more expensive pretty quickly. This is a concern.

    Right now we save about 20% of our income a month, but we will probably not be able to keep that up in the new home. But we could live there for a long time, so we take away the pressure to worry about eventually buying a house.

    Right now this is looking like a reasonable compromise between my husband's desire to be a home owner and my fear of getting my feet wet in a housing market I fear is at its peak (Although to be honest I have feared this since 2006 and prices still keep going up up up). If you have read this far -- what do you think?

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    I think the question here is what your goal is. Are you thinking of terms of making it comfortably to retirement?

    Is that on your mind, or just short term saving goals?

    They are similar, but really at the end of the day, your savings are substantial enough to bear anything happening, enough for at least a solid year or two. So the concern is what you'd be happy saving.. as you said, you'd spend about $500 more a month in the new place. Do you feel that's worth it? How much more would y ou be able to put aside after this?

    I'd recommend using a retirement calculator like this one:

    ING DIRECT - Retirement Calculator

    See if you can still meet your retirement plans living in the new place.

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    • #3
      Thanks Unknown -- you make a good point. These figures do not include our retirement savings, since they are pretty much untouchable I just treat them as if they don't exist. We have talked about increasing the contribution into our retirement fund now that we have a nice savings buffer and as they have changed some of the tax rules for pension contributions where we live --- so that is something to take into this equation we haven't thought of.

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      • #4
        We sold our house 5 years ago and bought a 4 level style townhouse so our viewpoint is not typical. Since the 1970's houses have become 30% larger, cost more, require more work, and the space seems to require owner to buy more stuff which takes up more time. It all comes down to values and life style. How much do you currently pay per square meter for City owned townhouse? How much will you pay per square meter for the privately owned house? Do you believe you will send your 3 y/o to play outdoors without adult supervision? Would you park upcoming babe in the yard? Do you have a park nearby your current home which allows you or DH to take youngster & baby in stroller? The benefit is that you also go to the park.

        What have you learned about the cost of utilities at the house? How much is the annual increase in cost for the private home? I know from experience that homes need constant maintenance and I wonder how frustrated you will feel if there is procrastination from the landlord? There is considerable cost and effort involved in moving. Every item needs to be evaluated as to whether to keep, sell, re-gift, donate, wrap & pack-up and the find a home in new quarters. It usually takes a couple of shifts until kitchenware and cupboards are fully functional.

        Buying VS renting is likewise a lifestyle decision. People believed their homes were a continuously improving asset. In most of N. America this idea was abruptly yanked out-from-under. Millions & millions are 'upside-down' in their mortgage. They've found themselves owning more on their mortgages than the housing market will tolerate. Their down payment was inadequate and while the originally took on $200,000. debt having paid $ 40,000. as hard saved 20% down payment and paid mortgage on time for more than 10 years...they owe the lender considerably more than what the home can be sold for. You must carefully examine a mortgage amortization table to see that you pay more in interest than on principal for a great many years. Before the current drop in rates, owners expected to pay three times the selling price plus very escalated property taxes & utilities. When you own it you also fix it, repair, replace, update, modernize etc. Do you & DH have he skill sets, time and money needed?

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