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  • #16
    I read your reply on another thread, so I may be reacting in part to what you also said there. If your daughter has ongoing medical problems, I think you need to find a way to buy into some insurance, at least for her even if for no one else in the family. Your state might offer something. Medicaid might be a possibility even with your middle class income since she has already accrued bills that seem to be beyond your ability to pay. Have you met with a medical social worker at a hospital? They really can help you figure out what your options might be.

    Especially if you decide against scrimping further to get insurance, I would at least scrimp further to run more money through your HSA. You are taking money from elsewhere to pay medical expenses, so you might as well get the tax advantage by running it through the HSA.

    I'm wondering if you also have child care expenses that you are forgetting in your expense report above. Anyhow, if the two of you do pick up extra jobs, mightn't it cost you something in childcare? Don't forget to figure that in.

    Do you happen to know anyone who makes less money than you and lives in your city? Where do they live? Would they have knowledge of less expensive apartments? If you could let people know, perhaps they would let you know when they see something decent open up.

    Are both or one of your kids on formula or have an expensive medical diet? If not, I suspect you really could move some money out of the food category and into the more pressed categories like the HSA, the student loans, the credit cards, or even the house savings.

    To me, that $200 a month electricity does not sound bad, as I surely have paid that much between my gas and electric bills combined last month. ($170 gas, $36 electric).

    Towards being happier with your living space---how many square feet do you have? When you are ready to begin moving the kids to their own space, do you have a corner in another part of the apartment where they can have a bed? They don't need to have an entire room dedicated just to their own bed, clothes, and toys. Their possessions can remain wherever you have them now....I knew someone who bought a little play tent for her son and played with him in it set up in her living room. Then she began taking naps in it with him so that it would seem like a cozy, restful place for him. Then she began putting him to bed for the night there as it seemed like his own place, a cozy, and happy spot. No more kiddie in Mom & Dad's bedroom after that....A child I tutor has a pallet just in full view in their living room. That's where I tutor her, too. I know this is a family who is very frugal and always scrimping, but doing so in a way that seems really emotionally secure and dignified, despite the fact that their girl sleeps in the living room.

    I do sympathize. Though I only have one child, we lived in two different 1 bedroom apartments before we bought a house. In the first he slept in our BR until he was 3 when we moved to a still 1 BR, but slightly roomier apartment. In the second place, he had a fold-up bed in a tiny nook of the dining room. The bed had to be folded up during the day in order to allow free passage to the kitchen--that's how small his space was. It just had room for his bed, and a file drawer next to it where he kept some toys. There was no space between the drawer and his bed and no space along the walls. On top of the file drawer, he kept a plant which got sun from the window above the bed. Elsewhere in the dining room he had a shelf of toys. Then, in our bedroom, he had his books and a lot more toys. Our bedroom contained his clothes, my desk and books. The living room had a desk for my DH. So things were not laid out in a very traditional way, but it worked for us; we were very happy. We stayed there until my child was 5.

    So I'm just saying that you can live "differently" (many people do!) and even crowded and still have all the sweetness and light a family could possibly have. From what you wrote in the thread about baby-readiness, I think you already know that. Your time for a house will probably come along eventually, but it is not going to be the thing that makes your family once and for all whole and happy. So please don't be sad if a house seems years yet in the future. Just keep an eye out for better places to live less expensively and ways to economize on the non-necessities to make room for the necessities as well as the dreams.
    "There is some ontological doubt as to whether it may even be possible in principle to nail down these things in the universe we're given to study." --text msg from my kid

    "It is easier to build strong children than to repair broken men." --Frederick Douglass

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    • #17
      Joan - lots of great advice.

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      • #18
        Oh, I should say, too, to economize on the necessities as well! That could be the only way to squeeze in any non-necessities. I guess the effort sometimes has to be made in every area possible.
        "There is some ontological doubt as to whether it may even be possible in principle to nail down these things in the universe we're given to study." --text msg from my kid

        "It is easier to build strong children than to repair broken men." --Frederick Douglass

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        • #19
          Wow that sounds like a lot, but it is feasible.

          I would first and foremost forget about any sort of house....It is not the best thing in the world right now. And to take out another LOAN and pay the interest rates, adjustable or fixed, is not the wisest thing. Remember even if you can afford the mortgage every month tack on another 20% for keep up.

          Maybe you should do some apartment searching or live with a relative to get back on your feet.

          Now for the bills you have;

          credit cards.......close them all...or literally freeze them in ice in your freezer. Call all of your creditors and ask if they would be able to lower your interest rates.....trust me it works most of the time, but sometimes you may have to plead.

          Then take all of your cc and line them up from highest interest to lowest. Pay the minimums on all the other cards and the highest card put the most amount towards. when that card is paid off then put the large amount to the next card and pay the minimums on all the others. Continue this till you are debt free. It may take a few years.

          Another option which I do not agree with but it may be necessary is consolidation, even possible with your medical too, It lowers your bills monthly, but it takes longer to pay and you wind up actually paying more in the long run with compounding interest.



          Next look at your food bill and entertainment:

          look to start cooking more and maybe putting some money for a once a month go out with the family. It will make the event even better and the kids will look forward to it.

          Start learning to be frugal and start couponing...seriously you could save up to 80% on your grocery bill!!


          If you get yourself into too much debt your leaving your children in debt too

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          • #20
            First I have to say that I REALLY liked Joan.of.the.Arch's advice on the tent for being the kids special place then becoming their own bedroom ... that is a fantastic idea!

            As for ktacserv's concerns, you said you and your husband are in the building industry. Is it possible that you know an investor that you could rent from? Some investors are into the whole buying and holding a place for 5 to 10 years and then selling to get their profit out. They look for good low maintenance long term tenants ... and if you can work into a lease to own option all the better. Being handy and able to fix most stuff can also put you into a position to manage a property or two (as a side job). If an investor likes how well you can manage one or two of his/her property(s), you have a really good chance of working out a deal for you to stay in another property for free (you pay utilities) in exchange for less management fees than you were collecting before. I know this is not a conventional way of living but it could get you into a house even if it isn't yours to start with. You could start by asking real estate agents if they know investors looking for tenants and/or property managers.

            As for the refund, save for a new used car or pay down the higher interest card, I'm not sure you'll be losing out on either. It is likely that you can help lower your monthly needs by paying down the credit card debt putting it all on the toward the card would lower your min. payment by about $60/month. But to pay it off and stop the drain on your finances you are going to have to pay more than the minimum payments. Pay the minimum on everything else and just focus all extra on the one card. If you can get it paid off before one of the cars die you have a better chance at supporting a car payment. The last thing you need is to add a car payment on top of the other stuff. You did scare me when you said that you couldn't get another card to transfer a balance over too with a low rate. If you can't get that kind of credit a house is going to be much more difficult.

            I wish you all the best and pray for a favorable break with your family!

            Oh, and the cell phone contract is for you to stay with the company. You should be able to drop texting and data from your plan and just have to sign another two agreement. If you think you can honestly live without a phone the penalty may be much less than living with it for another year. Heck, I knew a guy that had switched to a new company for the phone they offered but ended up hating that phone. He wanted back to his other phone but the cost of buying the phone made it unreasonable. Anyway, I asked if he could get the phone he wanted from another company for free, he could just pay the early cancellation fee. For him it was worth the $175 penalty to go back to his old style phone and he would actually save more than that (over the next year) by having the lower fee phone anyway.

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            • #21
              You have already gotten lots of great advice, I just wanted to echo on the waiting on a house. You seem to really want to get into a house to get out of your apartment but buying a house right now without a 20% down payment does not sound like a good decision for you.

              We waited until we had 20% down and it has made a great impact on our finance, and will for the next 13 years until the house is paid off.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by Redraidernurse View Post
                You have already gotten lots of great advice, I just wanted to echo on the waiting on a house. You seem to really want to get into a house to get out of your apartment but buying a house right now without a 20% down payment does not sound like a good decision for you.

                We waited until we had 20% down and it has made a great impact on our finance, and will for the next 13 years until the house is paid off.
                I'd like to add that you can't buy a house anymore without a 20% down payment. That seems to be the new norm that banks are requiring for a mortgage. The only way around it is to go through FHA.
                Brian

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                • #23
                  Just some info on a mortgage for you.

                  20% down is not a bank requirement for approval. It's just advisable because approval is easier. It's what's called a "prime loan" that banks love and can securitize. There are still products out there that are 10% down, and government programs, like FHA that go down to 3.5% down. All non-prime loans will require PMI which is insurance for the bank and can add hundreds of dollars per month to your costs. Interest rates may also be a tad higher on non-prime.

                  If you go the "Prime" route, then there are also other conditions - total mortgage payment must no more than 31% of your monthly gross income. Total indebtedness (credit cards payments, car payments, mortgage, etc) must not exceed 41%. Guidelines for FHA vary a bit, but they are not too far off these. FHA approval is supposedly easier. Documentation is 2 years of tax returns and current pay stubs, I believe.

                  I'd suggest, as others have, that you put off a house for a bit. You will have to get those credit cards paid off or you'll need a big boost in income. If your medical debt is hitting your credit report, then that will be in the mix too. You also need to get an emergency fund in place.

                  Life is hard when you make poor decisions. But you have a chance every day to set it straight.

                  Good luck!

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by bjl584 View Post
                    I'd like to add that you can't buy a house anymore without a 20% down payment. That seems to be the new norm that banks are requiring for a mortgage. The only way around it is to go through FHA.
                    That's not true. You can still obtain a conventional home loan for as low as 5% down as long as all other financial factors are top notch.

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                    • #25
                      Honestly I think in your situation (I'm sure it's hard with your daughter and all) that a house would not be a blessing in your life, but rather a detriment. Just imagine the stress a house would create in your life at this moment. Expensive!!!! There will always be a house to buy. I would concentrate on putting together a pretty hefty EF fund of around a year of expenses due to the fact that you have a daughter who has a serious medical problem and if someone should lose their job you have some savings to fall back on. Then I would concentrate on paying off CC's and then work on some kind of an automatic withdrawl for medical expenses.

                      Once you get rid of the debt and have a nice down payment you may be able to buy the house of your dreams.

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                      • #26
                        While we all sympathize with the problems you face, I sincerely hope you will set your desire for a house on a back burner until your finances are under better control. It's difficult but you can re-allocate apartment space to create a dorm for the children in the bedroom. You & DH re-set your bed to one end of the living room, perhaps staple a curtain or sheet to the ceiling to create a temporary divider. Some people use an inexpensive bamboo rolled curtain to visually subdivide an area.

                        In many countries the entire family live in one room as part of the culture. You can use your space to best fit your specific needs.

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                        • #27
                          We were actually qualified for a home

                          "Qualilfying" for a home does not mean you can actually comfortably afford to buy and maintain a home. Be extremely careful in having someone else tell you what you "qualify" for.
                          My advice, no home until you have fully paid of cc and have saved 20% down. Owning a home can be a ball and chain and a huge liability if you don't have enough funds. There are never ending problems and maintenance that can easily eat into money you need for your children and life. You have a roof over your head, food, clothing and are taking good care of your children. Work on the debt and build your savings.

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