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    Hello,

    I think I made a financial mistake and would like your advise as to whether live with it, or cut loses.I admit I am biased towards moving, but this is where you come in to be objective and provide me with sound advise.

    This is the situation.
    After much research, I ended up renting a 2/1 apt for $1400. I was happy with my decision and I just renewed in November 30th for a second year.

    Well, I started thinking outside the box and, yes 1400 is great for the area I live with, but I had never considered the county as a broader option.
    Well, I did and it turned out, I could rent a 2/1, in a different city which I just love for 900-1000. I had assumed this area was more expensive.

    The benefits of the new location are:
    Blocks from the beach
    A more active and social community, more bohemian. you always see people. Safe
    No carpet! These are older remodeled buildings, the big majority are tile and/or hardwood
    Bigger spaces for less price
    $400-$500 less in rent

    As you can see the benefits above are all wants, with the exception of the price

    The drawbacks are:
    They ask for 2-3 months deposit. Until now I have always lived in managed communities, and since I, thanks God, have good credit, they have never asked me for deposit. or maybe half a month at most.
    (I did own a house for some time, which I short sold, but Im talking about my renting years)

    If that was all, I think I would move. even with the $2000 deposit. However:

    1) I just renewed in November. the penalty for breaking the lease is 1 month rent: $1400
    2) I did bad at maintaining the carpet and have two stains I cannot remove, I went through a difficult divorce in March and I admit, taking care of the carpet was not on my priority list. I allowed my son to make juice stains and playdoh messes, and who knows what else that I did not remove immediatelly. So, while I plan to try a professional cleaner service, i might end up charged for the carpet too. I cleaned it all very nicely myself, but there is one stain in the dining room and one on the corridor that I could not remove....I actually damaged the fabric a bit on one of them in trying differert products..

    Financially:

    Current
    1) Paying $1400/mo for rent
    2) Carpet is stained, I will have to pay for it eventually
    3) Just renewed in November, penalty for breaking is $1400 (I will try to talk them into siwtching me to short term renting where I pay month after month at $1650)

    If I move
    1) will pay $900- $1000, lets say $1000, so this is $400 savings
    2) Need to pay $2000 deposit
    3) Might need to pay $1400 on penalty
    4) Might need to pay for carpet ~$2000
    5) Estimated moving cost $500 (I hardly have any furniture.)

    Cost to move now, worse case scenario:

    2000 deposit
    1400 penalty
    2000 carpet ($200 if professional cleaners leave it ok)
    500 Moving
    5900 Total

    Savings per year: 400 x 12: 4800

    Sooo, give it to me, what do you think? Thank you!
    Last edited by Radiance; 01-25-2011, 10:42 AM. Reason: more clarification

  • #2
    Any additional transportation costs, for instance to/from job?

    And 1 other quick question, what it your monthly after-tax income?


    And the deposit really isn't an expense exactly. You should get it back if/when you move out of the new place.

    For the $1000 rent, your after tax income needs to be at least 3600/month (28%)
    And for the $1400 rent, your after tax income needs to be at least 5000/month

    If your income is lower than the $5k, you should move solely on the basis that you don't meet the 28% rule.

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    • #3
      I think the only expense that really matters here is the $1400 to break the lease. The carpet is done, you are going to have to pay for that at some point. Same with deposit on a new place and moving costs. Honestly, would you really sign another lease and stay where you are next November now that you know you can live in a better area for less rent? No, you are going to move next November regardless.

      So the question is, can you afford those expenses (deposit and moving) now? And is it worth it to you to pay a $1400 penalty to move? Let's say you move 2 months from now, and your rent is $400 less per month. Between then and what would have been the end of your lease you'll save $3200 in rent. So the $1400 doesn't seem so bad.

      If it were me, I'd do it. With the caveat that I wouldn't incur debt to do so.

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      • #4
        Do you have a job waiting for you in your new location? If not, do you have an EF or some other source of income? If so, then the only thing that I think that you need to worry about is the $1400 for breaking the lease. You may be able to negotiate this down depending how flexible the landlord is.
        Brian

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        • #5
          I think doxie spelled it out well. There doesn't seem to be any reason to stay as long as you have the money to move.
          Steve

          * Despite the high cost of living, it remains very popular.
          * Why should I pay for my daughter's education when she already knows everything?
          * There are no shortcuts to anywhere worth going.

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          • #6
            I pretty much see it as a wash. Here is my math and try to follow it. My math is based on a 10 month period to help compare the two, meaning you signed your current lease November 30th and you've probably paid 2 month already.

            1st Scenario:

            Staying at current apartment
            -Rent=$14000
            -Carpet=$2000
            -Deposit returned at end of term=?
            -Moving=$500

            Total: $16,500


            2nd Scenario:

            Moving to new apartment
            -Rent=$12000 for ten months including desposit and rent
            -Carpet=$2000
            -Moving=$500
            -Penalty=$1400

            Total: $15900

            The question is can you wait until the lease is up and do the same thing?

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            • #7
              My after tax income is $5500. so in theory my housing percentage is ok and not a reason to move per se.

              I am keeping the same job, I work at another city anyway, but it is more expensive to live there and I dont like it.

              I do have 20 min longer commute which will translatte onto more gas and more frequent oil changes
              I will save the $30 I spend now in tolls..

              Dont remind me about the carpet,,,ugh... yes, I know, very stupid situation I put myself on

              I dont have all the money in cash, but I am expecting a bonus on March 31 which would go against the move....this way I dont incur in debt

              As per the scenarios this is my version: (Love this analysis, btw)

              1st Scenario:

              Staying at current apartment
              -Rent=$14000
              -Carpet=$2000 - you are right, staying I still need to fix carpet...
              -Deposit returned at end of term=? $0 they didnt ask for deposit
              -Moving=$500 =?? why, if I stay there are no moving expenses

              Total: $16,500, corrected 16,000


              2nd Scenario:

              Moving to new apartment
              -Rent=$12000 for ten months including desposit and rent
              -Carpet=$2000
              -Moving=$500
              -Penalty=$1400

              Total: $15900

              If I am getting this right the difference is minimal...no?

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Radiance View Post

                If I am getting this right the difference is minimal...no?
                It costs you $600 dollars to stay at the current apartment in the paramater of a 10 month period.... In the long run if you move to the new apartment you will save $400x12 for the second year.

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                • #9
                  Thank you everybody, it is painful, but hindsight is 20/20 and I have no time machine.

                  Cost: 5,900, ouch:
                  Deposit 2000
                  Carpet 2000
                  Moving 500
                  Penalty 1400

                  Wish me luck negotiating that penalty!

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by littleroc02us View Post
                    1st Scenario:

                    Staying at current apartment
                    -Rent=$14000
                    -Carpet=$2000
                    -Deposit returned at end of term=?
                    -Moving=$500

                    Total: $16,500


                    2nd Scenario:

                    Moving to new apartment
                    -Rent=$12000 for ten months including desposit and rent
                    -Carpet=$2000
                    -Moving=$500
                    -Penalty=$1400

                    Total: $15900

                    The question is can you wait until the lease is up and do the same thing?
                    If scenario 1 still involves moving at the end, you have to add the $2000 deposit there too. So it's $18,500 vs $15,900.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Radiance View Post
                      Thank you everybody, it is painful, but hindsight is 20/20 and I have no time machine.

                      Cost: 5,900, ouch:
                      Deposit 2000
                      Carpet 2000
                      Moving 500
                      Penalty 1400

                      Wish me luck negotiating that penalty!
                      Also, you may not be as bad off as you think with the carpet. I would think a professional cleaner should be able to deal with juice stains and playdough. Worst case if they have to replace it, they might not charge you the full amount it costs to replace it. Carpet is not meant to last forever, and if it had been there for awhile it should be prorated.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by doxie View Post
                        they might not charge you the full amount it costs to replace it. Carpet is not meant to last forever, and if it had been there for awhile it should be prorated.
                        I was thinking the same thing. When I rented my last apartment, they had the place painted and carpeted before I moved in. Same happened when my mother rented her current apartment a few years ago - new paint and new carpet.
                        Steve

                        * Despite the high cost of living, it remains very popular.
                        * Why should I pay for my daughter's education when she already knows everything?
                        * There are no shortcuts to anywhere worth going.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by doxie View Post
                          If scenario 1 still involves moving at the end, you have to add the $2000 deposit there too. So it's $18,500 vs $15,900.
                          That wasn't the posters question, they asked if they should stay or go. They could go anywhere from that point and it all starts over. That's like saying I'm renting 2 apartments vs 1. If you wanted to see where this person would be in 2 years I could do the math for that.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by doxie View Post
                            If scenario 1 still involves moving at the end, you have to add the $2000 deposit there too. So it's $18,500 vs $15,900.
                            If that is your logic then so does the Scenario #2. $18,500 vs. 17,900. Where would they live after scenario #2???

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Radiance View Post
                              Thank you everybody, it is painful, but hindsight is 20/20 and I have no time machine.

                              Cost: 5,900, ouch:
                              Deposit 2000
                              Carpet 2000
                              Moving 500
                              Penalty 1400

                              Wish me luck negotiating that penalty!
                              Even if you take the worst in every case there, if you live in the new place for 15+ months, you easily come out ahead. Or should you decide to move at the end of the lease to another apt, you get your 2000 back. Meaning, over the next 10 months you'd essentially break even.

                              But if you live in the new place for say 3 years, you're nearly $10k ahead of staying put for 3 years.


                              Plus if the carpet costs $2k to replace, unless you live there till you die - one day you'll owe $2k for the carpet. You're just postponing the inevitable. (I believe someone mentioned this earlier, but I couldn't find it)

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