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    I used TurboTax to do our 2008 taxes, and to prepare the estimated tax vouchers. I went with the option to pay 110% of last year's tax due so there would be no possibility of a penalty.

    Our expected income for 2009 has changed dramatically since I did the taxes. I'm pregnant with twins and will not be working the last 3 months of the year, so my income will drop by about $25k. DH's job is not giving bonuses, so that is about $24k less than last year. The babies will be born in time to count as dependents. Last year our AGI was $224k, and our taxable income was $157k, so we're in the zone where a lot of credits don't apply or are phased out and we are skirting the edges of being hit with AMT (I think we paid $653 on AMT exclusion items last year).

    There are a few other items that make it difficult to estimate what our AGI will be this year:
    * Taxable investment portfolio of $255k (all in mutual funds) -- dividends and capital gains vary greatly from year to year.
    * DH sends 12% of salary to an employee stock purchase plan, and takes the option to immediately sell the stock. The gain is reported as income on his W-2
    * DH has a small amount of stock options, currently the vested portion is worth about $1k, but it fluctuates with the stock price. If the price is up he may do a cashless exercise, and we have to pay tax on the gain.
    * DH does a small amount of stock trading, sometimes resulting in short-term capital gains ($1200 last year).
    * I have an AMT credit carry-forward of $9400. At least $5000 of this credit will be refunded or used in 2009, but possibly more if we owe AMT taxes.

    I want to reduce our estimated payments, and possibly DH's withholding, so that we don't end up with a huge refund. (Especially in CA, where because of the budget crisis we might get an IOU instead of a check!) What is the best way to figure out how much to pay, and yet make sure that we don't underpay?

  • #2
    I usually post questions like this to fairmark or other tax forums.

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    • #3
      Which forums do you recommend?

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      • #4
        Originally posted by zetta View Post
        Which forums do you recommend?
        If I need to know how much something costs I come here. If I want financial planning advice (which might include taxes)

        this link is also available in usenet (if you have a newsreader)

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        I also frequent here for investment and retirement advice
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        If I need detailed tax advice I have one source I trust above others- fairmark-

        Fairmark Forum

        It will be tough to find me on fairmark because I only post when I have a question, and my alias is much different than it is on any other forum- you can probably figure out who I am at misc.financial-plan and early retirement forums. If you ever figure out who I am on fairmark, LMK so I can change my alias.

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        • #5
          Your situation is extremely complicated, since you are in California.

          You have to actually prepay some of your estimates this year (I mentioned as a comment to your blog a while back - this year is 30%/30%/20%/20% instead of the usual 25% per quarter. They are proposing paying something like 75% in the first 2 quarters - for next year).

          BAsically, you do not want to underpay California, and it will be easy to do. Though I completely understand why you wouldn't want to pay in 110% to avoid all penalties.

          IT seems pretty certain your income will be lower this year, so I would consider paying in 100% (100% of last year's tax) across the board.

          I am sure you are aware the other option is to pay in 90% of this year's tax, but in general that sounds pretty impossible to pinpoint. As a rule we only tell our clients 100%/110%, to cover our butts and theirs. The reason is it is just impossible to estimate an exact tax figure with so much going on.

          OF course, IOUs are a concern. In the end you have to decide if you rather risk paying in too much or owing interest and penalties. Thing is if you overpay, you can apply to next year's estimates - and avoid the whole IOU thing altogether. That is what I would do. Also, final estimates are not due until January. By then you will have a much better idea of how much tax you owe - you can pay more aggressively the first 3 quarters and not pay so much the 4th quarter if you don't need to.

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