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    I’m a 20 year old University student from Canada and up until a month ago was completely clueless to the world of finances and investing. However, a labour strike has hit my school, one which has now lasted nearly 3 months, and I’ve found myself with an abundance of time to educate myself on subjects I ought to know more about. Given that I made this thread, economics, finances, and investing are obviously some of these subjects. Keep in mind that I’m a fine arts student, one who was particularly poor at mathematics, so at first I felt completely out of my depth. But I’ve been lurking on these forums for about a month and I’ve picked up a couple books, Rich Dad Poor Dad and The Wealthy Barber, to help me with the basics. No, they’re not highly technical but I’ve found them to be useful entry points seeing as how I’m a complete beginner. I’m also considering reading Bernstein’s The Four Pillars of Investing and I’d welcome any other suggestions. The reason I’ve chosen to further my education on these subjects is largely in part to the current state of the economy. I know that the markets historically have an upward trend and the sagging global economy, coupled with my young age, have intrigued me to the point where I feel that “buying low” will give me a great head start to my future financial well being. I’d greatly appreciate any advice and feedback to help me succeed in a rather daunting undertaking.

    I work part-time at a paltry wage, but I’ve been saving at least 65% of my pay cheques for over a year and have always been a very frugal and cost-savvy person. Fortunately, I currently have no real expenses. My tuition is covered by my parents, who also cover almost all of my monthly expenses including the phone bill. However, come September I’m planning on moving downtown to live with my girlfriend. I’ve carefully calculated my budget, which is enclosed below. The budget isn’t set in stone as it assumes I will receive no aide from my parents, who may help with my transportation (school-related) and other incidentals, but since I’m unsure it’s best to err on the side of caution and include all possible expenses. Also, I neither drive nor own a car, and I don’t see myself getting one for some time as the city has extensive public transit. Needless to say, I’m not keen on making car payments on a student’s wage.

    Monthly Earned Income - $800-1100 (15-25h a week at near minimum wage, though increases during summer-time)
    Monthly Expenses (Sept.) – Rent & utils. - $500, Groceries - $150, Transportation - $100, Cable/Internet/Phone - $100 --- [$850]
    Credit Card - $0


    Because I’ve been careful with my spending, I’ve amassed a fairly respectable savings account for someone my age, especially when I compare it to that of my spend-thrift peers who often have less 1/5 of my assets. My goal is to save as much as possible, and inversely spend as little as I can, until September rolls around when the real expenses kick in. I currently have $8000 in my savings account, pay off my credit card every month, and consequently have no debt. By September, I should have around $14,000 saved up. I’ll likely need at least $3,000 in initial expenditures – first and last, security deposit, and some furnishings – so I’ll estimate that by October I’ll have $11,000 in liquid assets. However, that money is only collecting 2.25% in interest and I feel that it’s a bit excessive in terms of liquidity and it’s not really preparing me for my future. I want to start setting money aside for my future and build a portfolio to achieve my short and long term goals.

    My Goals:
    Short Term - Make a 25% down payment on a house in 15 years, when I’m 35 years old.
    Long Term – Retire at the age of 60.

    Firstly, I think $5100 ($850 x 6months) would be an adequate emergency fund and I could keep that in my tax-free savings account earning the same 2.25% interest. That would leave me with $6000. This is the part with which I need the most advice. I can either start investing now or wait until I have amassed that $6000 by the summer before I start. On the one hand, I’m curious to see if the market reaches new bottoms, but on the other the market is so badly hit that I’d be getting bargains even if I wanted to start investing right now. Mutual funds and index funds seem like good options, but I’m not at all sure how much I should invest, nor what strategy to adopt. Because I want to build this portfolio primarily for a house payment, it would probably be wise to stay conservative, correct? (60% stocks to 40% bonds?) I also think it’s a good time to start contributing to my retirement plan, my RRSP (equivalent to your 401k). It’s difficult to tell how much I can contribute monthly over the period of 15 years, mainly because I have no idea what my income will be when I get my degree and start working full-time. But at my current wage, I feel that $60 a month would be adequate. According to the compound interest calculator I’ve been using, if I start with $3000 as my initial balance, assume an 8% return per annum, and contribute a mere $60 monthly, I’d be looking at $30,700 in 15 years.

    Am I on the right track? Could some of the regulars provide me with some advice and feedback, particularly in regards to my investment inquiries? I greatly appreciate your time and effort.

  • #2
    What are girlfriend's views on money management/finance/investing? Is your faculty about to re-start? What employment opportunities do you see available for graduates of Fine Arts in your community?

    If you expect to use the money in 5 years, you do not want to be invested in the vagaries of the stockmarket. As a 20 y/o with a potentially huge time-frame, I suggest you look at ETFs [Exchange traded funds] in TSX as a starting point. You can buy T-Bills, Bonds and any stock you have researched in the same security a/c. You can also open a self directed RRSP a/c and negotiate fees. RRSP contributions are based on taxable earnings.

    Just now TD Waterhouse is offering the cheapest rate per transaction.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by snafu View Post
      What are girlfriend's views on money management/finance/investing? Is your faculty about to re-start? What employment opportunities do you see available for graduates of Fine Arts in your community?

      If you expect to use the money in 5 years, you do not want to be invested in the vagaries of the stockmarket. As a 20 y/o with a potentially huge time-frame, I suggest you look at ETFs [Exchange traded funds] in TSX as a starting point. You can buy T-Bills, Bonds and any stock you have researched in the same security a/c. You can also open a self directed RRSP a/c and negotiate fees. RRSP contributions are based on taxable earnings.

      Just now TD Waterhouse is offering the cheapest rate per transaction.
      Girlfriend is completely uneducated in the financial and investment world, which is a big reason why I've taken it upon myself to further my knowledge in this realm. I'll be the one who sets budgets and manages the intricacies of our money and I'll also be setting up her RRSP and other investments in the future.

      There's no timeframe as to when I'll be returning to school due to the labour dispute. Worst case scenario is the year gets canceled and my tuition is refunded. I plan on using my degree to get a job as a film/music/arts journalist, particularly for critical analysis. I live in Toronto and there are a wealth of employment opportunities should I follow this path.

      I don't plan on withdrawing from my portfolio for at least 15 years. I'd like to put a good amount into my portfolio, while contributing monthly, and withdraw in 15 years for a down payment on a house. Additionally, I'd like to start contributing to my RRSP, which I don't plan on withdrawing from for at least 40 years. My short-term incidentals will be covered by my savings.

      Because I want to contribute monthly, ETFs would probably become very expensive due to service and commission charges, correct? That's why I'm leaning towards mutual funds. I've heard good things about index funds as well. I've been researching what is called the "Couch Potato" investment method, which essentially requires you to put 60% of the portfolio in three main index funds (20% Composite Index Fund [TSX: XIC], 20% S&P 500, 20% in MSCI EAFE Index Fund [TSX: XIN]) and 40% in Canadian Bond Index Fund [TSX: XBB]. Does this route make financial sense? My father is going to set up an appointment for me to see the financial planner he's used for 25 years to give me some advice. Until then, I'm going to continue reading and researching.

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      • #4
        Here are some books I found helpful in learning about investing, and the main topic covered in each. I've placed them in the order I would recommend reading them. You can click on my Booknotes catagory of my blog to read my summaries of numbers 1, 2, and 6.
        1. All Your Worth (getting your basic financial picture in order so you have money available to invest)
        2. The Complete Idiot's Guide to Getting Rich (helps with goal setting)
        3. Bogleheads Guide to Investing (explains mutual funds and the indexing strategy)
        4. The Intelligent Asset Allocator (how to structure your portfolio)
        5. Morningstar Guide to Mutual Funds (how to analyze and pick funds)
        6. Common Sense on Mutual Funds by John C. Bogle (highly technical analysis of index investing)

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        • #5
          Thanks for the books recommendations, I'll head by the library at some point to look for them.

          I've learned a lot over the past 5-6 weeks, I'm quite happy with my progression.

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          • #6
            1st, Kudos to you for being aware of the need to plan and think of how money can work for you! Communicating what money means to each of you and how to use it can be important to your relationship since money grievances often cause split/divorce after the rose colored glasses darken.

            CFP designated Financial Planners can be great but they doesn't absolve your responsibility to know WHAT you are investing in and WHY. As example... would this be a good time to buy a Resource Fund? What indicators should have told investors it was time to get out? You need to know whether a fund you are considering is actively managed or merely mirrors its linked group as well as the MER.

            BTW, the Banks are setting up free info seminars for the general public as we head into RRSP season. They give up-to-date info, draw for great prizes and introduce you to people who make the financial decisions that influence our economy. Your library will have the expensive to subscribe to Newletters published by the financial gurus which you can read on-site.

            When I ran the figures, 2%-4% MERs were more expensive than the single buy/sell ETFs charge, for my long term holdings. I can see how the monthly investment Mutual Fund plan would give you the opportunity to build significant sums to follow the Coach Potato breakdown. If the money goes out automatically, you'll never miss it! It just like any other bill for rent or utilities!

            Our news keeps saying York classes are resuming. Since classes have not yet resumed try watching BNN [Business News Network] Weekly Schedule
            Last edited by snafu; 01-24-2009, 03:57 PM.

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            • #7
              Snafu,

              Yep, we're back in classes now. I've been buried in homework for the past two weeks - I'm spending about 5-6 hours a night reading, note-taking, and working on assignments. I don't mind, it keeps me busy.

              I haven't let up with my financial education. I've been reading Richard Ferri's All About Index Funds which has taught me quite a bit. I'm also using Investopedia's "Stock Simulator" to get a feel of the market, particularly for ETFs. I'm thinking investing in an oil-based ETF - USO, though there is no true iShares equivalent. Given that oil prices are so low and that it's a finite commodity, it certainly will shoot back up when the economy rebounds. I've also been tracking SPDRs - SPY tracks the S&P 500, and the iShares equivalent is XSP. Anyways, I'm heavily leaning towards Index Funds and ETFs - the low MERs, convenience, and ability to DIY is very attractive to me.

              I've also been reading Benjamin Graham's The Intelligent Investor and when I get a chance will read Bernstein's The Four Pillars of Investing. It doesn't look like the economy will be recovering any time soon, especially after the most recent debacle following Geithner's TARP speech. As such, I'm in no rush to enter the market. I'll keep reading and toying with stock simulators for a few more months and in the summer I'll probably put $1000 into ETFs and $2500 into index funds through TD's eFunds, following the couch potato breakdown I mentioned earlier.

              Which Canadian ETF provider do you use? The only one I've looked through was iShares. Is it the only option we have? I wish I had access to a Vanguard account.

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              • #8
                My Goals:
                Short Term - Make a 25% down payment on a house in 15 years, when I’m 35 years old.
                Long Term – Retire at the age of 60.
                The goals are a good start (excellent start) because that means you have two things- an objective and a desired time to complete the objective.

                Retirement is long term and the house is mid term and almost long term (15 years is enough for money to double twice, so almost long term).

                Here is what you want to do- make it a point to set aside 20% of ALL EARNINGS from now until age 60.
                Put 15% of the earnings (15% of gross earnings) into a retirement plan of choice. As earnings increase, continue to put 15% towards the retirement plan.
                Put 5% of gross earnings to short term goals. For now put this in cash as your emergency fund. Once the emergency fund has enough in it, put the 5% short term money into an investment suitable for a house purchase in 10-15 years. I suggest CDs or similar. if you get a raise, continue putting 5% of your earnings to a short term goal (new house, new car, vacation, pay down mortgage, college fund for kids or something else).

                Always fund long term goals first (retirement) because if you do not, you are basically shifting from saving to consumption. The 15-5 plan forces you to live on 80% of what you earn, and spending less than you earn is the #1 thing you can do to control your financial independance.

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                • #9
                  In the last few years our banks have gone on a fee setting binge. I suggest you do everything in your power to avoid/escape/negotiate fees. If the financial institution you choose wants set up or RRSP fees, try to negotiate it away since you expect to be a client for 40 yrs. and are seeking a bank that wants new, long term clients. If rejected ask to see the next level of authority.

                  If you had earned income in 2007, your 'Notice of Assessment' shows your 2008 RRSP limit whose deadline is March 2, 2009. This sounds strange but the gov't. sets the limits based on income and proudly remains a year behind.

                  An RRSP a/c generates a tax deduction/refund. For Mutual Funds, DCA [dollar cost averaging] for 2008 income works in this unstable stock market. Divide your RRSP limit by 12 for monthly payments, buying units at variable price points. If you use your next tax refund, it's mostly rebate funded.

                  Your girl friend may be persuaded to mirror your plan if she also had 2007 earned income. If you only had earned income in 2008, it is legal to create a plan carrying it forward for 2009, guessing the limit but without a tax refund until you file in 2010.

                  If that does not meet your needs check-out the TFSA [Tax free savings a/c]. You can fund this up to $5K per year and buy stocks, bonds, mutual funds, or EFTs as you wish but check and re-check fees.

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