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  • URGENT - Need W-4 advice!

    Hey folks,

    So I'm starting my new job on Monday (woohoo!) and am getting things prepared. Got my SSN card, my drivers license, a deposit slip to set up direct deposit. I have my outfit selected and cleaned, etc. I'm nervous but also excited.

    One thing I really need advice on, though, is how I should fill out my W-4 form. I'm one of those people who has never quite managed to wrap my brain around it, and don't normally think about it until I show up for my first day on a job and then am too embarrassed to ask my new employer to help me fill it out. But this time I'm not going to let that happen!

    In the past I have always just selected the number of deductions based on the number of people in my household at the time. At my last job, for instance, I selected two: one for me and one for my husband. I'd much rather get a tax refund than have to owe anything when I file our taxes. I know that probably goes against the grain here because that refund money could be invested throughout the year instead. But I often feel that if we had that extra money in our paycheck then we might waste it; by contrast, I always use our tax refund ($900 last year) to either pay down debt and/or for investing.

    I did some Googling but most of the information I came across was extremely vague ("You should also complete a new W-4 and submit it to your employer if you got a big refund last year" -- but they don't define what "big" is) or just too complicated to understand.

    Any advice or suggestions are welcome! Links to sites that spell it all out in plain English would be appreciated, too.

    My goal is to be able to bring a completed W-4 with me on Monday, rather than having to fill it out when I get there.

    ~ Jenney

    ps. I tried using the IRS's tax withholding calculator, without success. I can't make heads or tails of that thing, I don't have all the information they're asking for, etc.

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    Re: URGENT - Need W-4 advice!

    Ok, I'm sort of doing a "test run" filling out my W-4 form, and I've come across a couple of things I don't get:

    CONFUSION #1
    Under Line H on the Personal Allowances Worksheet (at the top of Form W-4) it says (emphasis added by me): "If you have more than one job or are married and you and your spouse both work and the combined earnings from all jobs exceed $35,000 ($25,000 if married) see the Two-Earner/Two-Job Worksheet on page 2 to avoid having too little tax withheld."

    However, when I go to the Two-Earner/Two-Job Worksheet, it doesn't say anything about needing a minimum amount of combined earnings ($25,000 if married). The tables say, "If wages from HIGHEST paying job are... $0 - $42,000", etc. So, this has created two questions:

    1 ) I'm not sure whether this $25,000 minimum is really relevant, since the Two-Earner/Two-Job table makes no mention of it?

    2) I'm not sure how to calculate our combined earnings. Do they mean our combined earnings for 2006, or our combined earnings from now, with my new (higher) income? Also, are they referring to gross income or net income??


    CONFUSION #2
    On Line 5 of the actual W-4 form it says, "Total number of allowances you are claiming (from line H above or from the applicable worksheet on page 2)"

    Well, on Line H, I have "1" but on the page 2 worksheet I have "0". So, which should I put??

    (It would probably help to look at the W-4 form to see exactly what I'm talking about -- you can view it HERE as a PDF file.)

    Thanks again!

    ~ Jenney

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    • #3
      Re: URGENT - Need W-4 advice!

      Anyone?

      ~ Jenney

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      • #4
        Re: URGENT - Need W-4 advice!

        Relax. You are overthinking this a bit. The $25,000 figure is relevant because it determines what worksheet you use. If you and your husband are expecting to make more than $25,000 combined gross income this tax year, use the two-earner worksheet as directed. If that worksheet tells you to claim 0, then claim 0.

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        • #5
          Re: URGENT - Need W-4 advice!

          If you do not have kids or itemize your taxes you will have very little choice on what to claim. $900 is just a small amount to manipulate with the W4. I remember doing it myself and others I worked with were get $9k+ returns and we ended up claiming 11 to reduce that to $1200 or so. Each of our families had 3 children so we were in very very similar circumstances. Also, none of our wives worked at that time.

          You can always try claiming 2 and then changing it for a couple pay periods to 3 and see what the difference is and if it is $14 or less then keep it at 3. This assumes everything else remains the same as last year taxes...similar pay and tax deductions.

          Hope this helps a little...it really isn't a may or break decision for now.

          Congrats on the new job!

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          • #6
            Re: URGENT - Need W-4 advice!

            If the income it asks about is gross, then we would make over $25k/year. If it's net, then we wouldn't. The form isn't clear at all.

            I guess I'll just go ahead and do what I usually do. I'm not sure how else to approach it.

            ~ Jenney

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            • #7
              Re: URGENT - Need W-4 advice!

              Try this calculator. The income is Gross.

              PaycheckCity offers free paycheck calculators, tax information, and payroll information.

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              • #8
                Re: URGENT - Need W-4 advice!

                This calculator from the IRS should help. http://www.irs.gov/individuals/artic...=96196,00.html

                Okay, so you used it and it doesn't help.

                This is what you do: using last years tax forms and this years projected income, pretend it's the end of the year and figure out what your tax is. This will help with the online calculator.

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                • #9
                  Re: URGENT - Need W-4 advice!

                  I think the reason they have that 0-25K line in the table is for people with multiple jobs. So if you had 4 part-time jubs, but the highest paying one was 24K, you might use that line. But I wouldn't worry to much about the reasoning behind that line, just concentrate on figuring it all out for your circumstances.

                  A few things to bear in mind:

                  -You can always fill out another W4! - If you find, through nervousness, or lack of preparation, that you cannot fill out your form accuratly the first day, just do your best and ask for another blank copy to take home. Then you can re-do the form with all your information at hand at your leisure. Also, you can submit a new form at any time! So if you find later that you need to change things, you can. You can keep your poor payroll office hopping, changing your W4 every pay period if you like! By law, I think, they have to accommodate you. This can also allow you to 'dial in' on the right amount by trial and error by submitting what you think is correct, then checking your paystub when it comes.

                  -If the calculators and worksheets aren't working for you, you might want to estimate on your own. If you plan to have a similar tax situation this year as last year (no big changes in income or deductions) you can take that $900 surplus, divide it by the number of remaining payperiods and put on the W4 that you want that extra amount deducted.

                  Good luck. Actually, I have to do W4's this week. Not looking forward to wrestling with the numbers either. See if I can do a better job of estimating this time.

                  Don't forget to pay careful attention to filling out your 401K and other benefits forms too! Why should Uncle Sam get all the love?

                  -TinyFish

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                  • #10
                    Re: URGENT - Need W-4 advice!

                    actually forget all the calculations. they are confusing and a joke. I simply choose the number of deductions I want and put the number in and go. Like you I prefer a tax refund vs the pay in and not to mention sometimes that check is a wonderful surprise. For me saving that kind of money is not an option I just can't do it that easily so they make a couple of dollars on my tax refund. let em. i don't care! I also worked as an office manager and filled out these things constantly. The only part you have to fill out is the bottom. The top is just for your records. ignore it.

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                    • #11
                      Re: URGENT - Need W-4 advice!

                      Oh...those happy days when being blase~ about the W4 resulted in a REFUND! LOL

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                      • #12
                        Re: URGENT - Need W-4 advice!

                        Here is the simplest way to calculate your expected taxes owed:
                        Gross income - Standard Deduction - (Personal exemption*Number of people in your household) = Taxable income (which is the number you go to the tax tables with)

                        If you make $25000 gross then it looks like this...
                        $25,000 - 10,300 - 3300 - 3300 = $8100 is your taxable income. Okay, so then look at the chart below to see how much tax you will owe.

                        Schedule Y-1 — Married Filing Jointly or Qualifying Widow(er)

                        If taxable income is over-- But not over-- The tax is:
                        $0.......................................$15,100.. ..............10% of the amount over $0
                        $15,100..............................$61,300...... ...........$1,510 plus 15% of the amount over 15,100

                        You are under the $15,100 so calculating your tax is super easy, it's just 10% of what you make, or $810. If we assume that you haven't withheld any taxes at all this year, then $810 divided by the 20ish weeks left in the year means you should be withholding at least $40 per week (if you have already withheld taxes, just figure out how much you need to withhold to get to $810).

                        Declare 2 deductions and then see how much they withhold for taxes. Multiply by the number of payperiods left in the year, and you will have an estimate of your total tax withheld for 2006 from this particular job. Add the total taxes withheld from any job you held earlier this year (that number should be on your last paystub).


                        If entering 2 deductions on your W-4 doesn't get you to a total of at least $810, there is a place on the W-4 to write in an additional amount that you would like withheld every paycheck.

                        If 2 deductions make the withholding amount too much, consider increasing it to 3 or more. Try to get your total tax withheld as close to $810 as possible. Keep in mind, as long as you withhold as much as you did last year (total), you shouldn't have to pay a penalty, otherwise you need to be within 10% of what you will owe (I think that's right).

                        Please consider setting up a different kind of forced savings. Have your bank automatically withdraw $75 a month from your checking account and put it into your savings, in a year you will have $900 plus YOU will earn the interest on it instead of the government (5% on $900 for a year is another $45!). You can set these up to happen the day your check is deposited, so you will still never see that money and be tempted to spend it. Or, put another $75 a month toward your high interest debts, and depending on your interest, you'll save even more ($900 at 20% interest is $180!) - time is on your side in this case. My point is that surely you have better things to do with $900 than lend it to the government interest free for a year. Good luck!

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                        • #13
                          Re: URGENT - Need W-4 advice!

                          This has been a real trial and error thing for me too. With donations, mortgage interest, car travel for work, I end up having an adjusted income (which what you pay taxes on) of less than half my gross income. So I claim a rather larger number...6 will but me pretty close to even, but I put 8 so I have to pay a little and plan for it saving and earning a little interest on the money...it works for me.

                          With the income bracket you are in and having just the two of you...my guess would be this.

                          -If you do not itemize your taxes (and I'm guessing you don't) you are stressing about nothing. Given your income bracket chances are you are getting most all of the income taxes you are paying back. If you want the biggest refund possilbe put 0 if you want a little more money in each check and a small refund put 1 or if your brave 2. Same goes for hubby.

                          Don't overthink it too much, it's really not as big a deal as people make it out to be. By the way what you put on your W-4 has absoluely no bearing on what you have to pay in taxes when you file. No big mean tax guy is going to come after you for these little numbers. It all gets reconciled when you file your taxes. All that is being determined by this form is how much the governemnt is kindly 'putting aside' for you to pay them with at the end of the year.

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                          • #14
                            Re: URGENT - Need W-4 advice!

                            I never said that it caused the refund. I said that it is confusing! and it is. but if you are a low wage earner (less than $30,000) then you will most likely receive a refund. especially if you have kids. unless you claim so many credits you don't pay in any taxes at all. I try to leave at least 2 for the tax form at the end of the year cuz I want a large refund. why stress over a document when you don't need to. I realize that alot of people here are probably high wage earners but I personally fall in the low one.

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                            • #15
                              Re: URGENT - Need W-4 advice!

                              actually taxes are off of your Adjusted gross income. not your actual income. Say you make $15,000 and there are two of you. Deduct the standard deduction: $9,500 (for 2) so your taxable income is now: $5,400. so now your tax based upon the 10% and assuming there are no further deductions is $540.00. Please remember these are just numbers and not actual representations of what you make.

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