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    Shareholders, Portfolios - Stocks, Custodians (SELL Side)

    Hi,

    I would like to politely ask for some suggestion what to do or even better where else should I ask for some assistance in case if your forum might not be correct place. I have already considered hiring professional appointment setting agencies or business development agencies but it won't work because they don't have the needed relationships.

    The question is NOT related to trading of stocks but it's related to funding the capital to shareholders because their Sell Side of stocks indicate they might be eager to get particular stock out of their portfolio.

    My question is related to:

    institutional shareholders firms
    individual shareholders
    shareholders' portfolio of stocks
    Sell Side (stocks)
    custodian for stocks (official partner of shareholder)
    brokerage firms (official partner of shareholder)
    any other firm that might be directly related to the shareholder

    I'm aware that sizes of shareholders' portfolios are regularly changing. They are often decreasing too and due to the fact that shareholders, both individual and institutional ones, worldwide, are regularly having some stocks, from their portfolio (Holdings) on the Sell Side, they are trying to get rid of some stock from their portfolio in particular quantity. Either permanently sell it or just pledge it into the collateral for a loan. This obviously means that they might be eager to find a firm like investor, lender, strategic buyer, whoever else, who would provide a capital to shareholders and get those provided stocks from their portfolio. Sell Side definitely doesn't mean shareholders are just selling the stock on open market for current market price. Definitely not just this. Instead, Sell Side of stocks is also an opportunity for a firm to fund the capital to that shareholder for those stock according to particular price discussed for the deal.

    However, problem occurs with Sell Side data from worldwide shareholders. If trying to obtain that data from Bloomberg terminal or similar source then reports will only include what has been already sold or pledged by the shareholders. This means what they were providing out of portfolio in the past and not what they are currently providing at this current time. Contacting the shareholder, either individual or institutional, won't work when it comes to getting an information what is available in their portfolio so which stock is on the Sell Side right now. Receptionists won't know anything. They just forward the calls. Managing directors neither. Portfolio managers are usually not available and never respond to voicemail. Asking random partner for Securities Lending department or the department that would have anything to do with their Sell Side and up to date info is not a way to go either. They don't know where relevant department is located, particularly not if institutional shareholder has worldwide offices. If individual shareholder then usually older he/she is, less chance of contact does the buyer have and Investor Relations departments don't share any contacts.

    Sometimes finding an official stocks custodian, brokerage firm is even harder. Particularly for individual shareholders. Sometimes also for institutional. Even if I manage to find custodian, no one knows who is taking care for particular shareholder, who has current Sell Side information what is available and who can arrange a web appointment and a deal between buyer and shareholder: appropriate partner (if institutional) or himself/herself (if individual). It's impossible to find, within custodian for stocks firm, exact person with needed information and ability to communicate with that particular shareholder. However, in order for buyer or lender to provide their capital and to consider whether they would be interested at particular stock, some information is obviously needed that right now, at a current time, something is on Sell Side.

    My question: Could anyone please tell me which consulting firm or freelancer (individual expert) should I hire to explain to me this process in detail including the actual communication on the phone call to get in touch with the right person? The reason why I'm asking my question indirectly (who to contact to help me on this) and not directly (how to do this, e.g. how to find up to date, current, Sell Side data of shareholders) is because I'm looking for very detailed help: step by step explanation of this process. I would need someone who would really take some time to clarify that to me.

    Thank you a thousand times for any suggestion you might have.

    #2
    You're the kind of complicated and diverse investment banking which is the purview of "Wall Street". Many, many college textbooks have been written on the subject and highly educated people spend decades gaining experience after getting Masters degrees in one of a dozen related topics.

    What's your end goal?

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      #3
      Originally posted by Nutria View Post
      You're the kind of complicated and diverse investment banking which is the purview of "Wall Street". Many, many college textbooks have been written on the subject and highly educated people spend decades gaining experience after getting Masters degrees in one of a dozen related topics.

      What's your end goal?
      End goal is to consider whether we are interested to fund the capital to the shareholder who is looking for a lender or investor that would take the stock of particular public enterprise in defined quantity. If they would not be looking for ''buyer'' then they wouldn't have pending (in progress) transaction on the Sell Side. The point here is to find which shareholder, either individual or preferably institutional wants to get rid of which exact stock from their portfolio so I can avoid asking about the stock they don't want to provide. They could get rid of the stock (sell side) either temporarily or permanently. Temporarily means they get it back from the lender after they payback the money of a loan with interest rates. Permanently obviously means fixed sale of the stock. I'm just asking where could I see IN REAL TIME stock availability defining which shareholder wants to provide from his or her or their which stock of which public company, in what quantity, from which possible stock exchanges can be that stock pledged into the collateral (sold) and who is the person to communicate with about that deal. I tried to get in touch with custodians but sometimes they are very hard to be identified and impossible to find which custodian firm's employee is taking care for exact shareholder.
      Last edited by mouse116; 06-10-2021, 02:41 PM.

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        #4
        Originally posted by mouse116 View Post
        I'm just asking where could I see IN REAL TIME stock availability defining which shareholder wants to provide from his or her or their which stock of which public company, in what quantity, from which possible stock exchanges can be that stock pledged
        Ah. You can't see that, because no one wants to tell you that (and there is no mechanism).

        into the collateral (sold)
        "Sold" is not what "collateral" means.

        (Is English your second language? Because your writing style is highly convoluted, and some of your phrases don't make any sense.

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          #5
          Originally posted by Nutria View Post

          Ah. You can't see that, because no one wants to tell you that (and there is no mechanism).



          "Sold" is not what "collateral" means.

          (Is English your second language? Because your writing style is highly convoluted, and some of your phrases don't make any sense.
          Why would shareholders be seeking for a firm (lender, investor, buyer, etc.) who would take exact stock in exact quantity, electronically pledged or sold, from their portfolio, which is basically definition of Sell Side, if they wouldn't want to tell me what's available? It makes no sense. The problem is that I'm having very hard time finding out which partner of institutional shareholder (or individual shareholder himself) to get in touch with to ask such availability question. Same with custodians who are excusing themselves that they do not have the right to share confidential information. That's a big lie. In order for firm to consider whether they are interested for particular shareholder's stock, they need to know what's available so what is shareholder eager to provide from their portfolio. I mean provide (pledge/sell) to candidate and definitely not on the open market. There are multiple reasons why would someone want to undervalue their stock, instead of selling them for around 100% market price on open market but they are out of the scope of this topic.

          Nutria or anyone else, if you know any consulting or shareholders / custodians communication agency that can get the data and arrange such web appointments then please let me know.

          I know very well that is ''sold'' and what is ''collateral'' but if shareholder doesn't want the stocks back from collateral then they basically sold them for particular ratio. This means they do NOT payback a lended money, neither interest rates but terminate a contract instead. So it's a sale because at that moment, name, assigned to the stock, is switched to lender's name who has the legal right to do whatever lender wants with stocks.

          I'm just being completely fed up with data that I have seen so far: Sell Side reports only when shareholders already pledged the stocks into the collateral (closed transactions). Useless because those stocks are not available anymore so such Sell Side report makes no sense and there is zero reason why would a lender start drafting a paperwork for stock, previously on Sell Side (being offered by shareholder), which is now not in portfolio anymore.

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            #6
            Originally posted by mouse116 View Post

            Why would shareholders be seeking for a firm (lender, investor, buyer, etc.) who would take exact stock in exact quantity, electronically pledged or sold, from their portfolio, which is basically definition of Sell Side, if they wouldn't want to tell me what's available? It makes no sense.
            If I want to allow my shares to be loaned out, I tell my broker.

            I if shareholder doesn't want the stocks back from collateral then they basically sold them for particular ratio.
            "I gave you money, but don't want it back." Only your family would do that.

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              #7
              Originally posted by Nutria View Post
              If I want to allow my shares to be loaned out, I tell my broker
              Yes but it's not that easy to find the broker name of particular shareholder, whether it's individual or institutional. Or did you mean Custodian? Also: That firm or it's partner may say that the information what is currently on the Sell Side, defining for which stock the shareholder is looking for lender/buyer, might be confidential.

              "I gave you money, but don't want it back." Only your family would do that.
              If I may politely correct you, with absolutely NO intention of any negative or disrespectful meaning: I'm afraid that your statement needs reconsideration because it might not be true. Decision of the shareholder to not payback the capital to the lender results in instant profit for the lender if stock price remain the same. That's because of the difference between 100% amount (quantity of stocks multiplied with stock market price) and the funded amount of the capital according to defined Loan To Value ratio. E.g. if ratio is 70% then if shareholder says to lender they want to terminate the contract because of not having in purpose to pay a single cent back out of entire funded capital, then lender is in profit instantly for 30% because this is when assigned shareholder name, attached to the stock, gets switched and lender now has the legal right to do whatever they want with the stocks. But it's true, that on a long-term, they don't charge interest rates because contract is terminated. However, this has nothing to do with what I'm asking.

              I was asking if someone could please point me to consulting service that would explain me where and how do I get Sell Side real time reports so I see what shareholders currently have available to be pledged out of their portfolio meaning for which stock they want to find lender or buyer.

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                #8
                mouse116 you have deep and profound misunderstanding of how the financial markets work.

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by Nutria View Post
                  mouse116 you have deep and profound misunderstanding of how the financial markets work.
                  ok...

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                    #10
                    So does anyone know any consulting firm for what I was describing?

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by mouse116 View Post
                      So does anyone know any consulting firm for what I was describing?
                      Your misunderstanding is so deep that your question does not make sense.

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