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    hi all, not sure if anyone read this weeks' economist-there was a big section about property. it was primarily doom and gloom, but ironically, i actually took away several reasons to be optimistic about RE in the US right now. mainly these 2:

    -while not implicitly stated, all of the valuation of RE was done via its ability to generate rent, no "inherent valuations". dunno if you guys remember, but this was actually a debated subject during the meltdown("how do you value a piece of RE?") and one of the suggested methods was that property value is strictly a function of the amount of rental income it can generate. i wholeheartedly agree with this viewpoint.

    -US has one of the most "accurately valued" RE markets in the world right now. to be clear, the number hovers at an average of 4-10% OVERvalued in the US, depending on the market. but in context: AUS ~ +45% overvalued, singapore and hong kong way up there, there were only 1 or 2 countries that had UNDERvalued markets), its really quite good. expounding on this, a 0% valuation would mean that a property would rent for the same amount that it would sell for. im assuming this is done at some type of standardized mortgage rate.

    here's my viewpoint on it: if you factor in a standard loan, it complicates how well of an investment it is. if you REMOVE the loan and look at just the #'s on a property, RE looks really good, if you are looking at the right prop. im seeing props that can do 10-20% ROI after costs, or ~10% cap rate. i do think that the end of this year is going to be a great time to buy, especially if the downward trend in prices continues.

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    Google News had such an article linked last night, but I don't remember if it was this one specifically. However, one of the things that made an impression on me was the prediction by Yale economist Robert Schiller economist that housing prices will still be coming down relative to income. I was glad to see income brought into the equation, as comparing house prices to income recognizes the importance of affordability.

    Years before the meltdown, the way prices zoomed away from affordability made me shake my head and say, "These spinning plates have to come crashing down." We had bought our house from the bottom 15% of our market, yet I couldn't see how new buyers of similar means could any longer buy the same--much less buy at the average price level. The only way they were managing it was through horrendous levels of debt along with saving nothing for lean times or old age. Bad news.

    Anyway, I like seeing house prices reported relative to income, that is, as affordability.
    "There is some ontological doubt as to whether it may even be possible in principle to nail down these things in the universe we're given to study." --text msg from my kid

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    • #3
      I personally bought a 4BDR. house on a small 80 x 100 lot in Suburban NJ (a decent amount of economy here compared to Podunk, Mississippi or Racoon Butt, KY) for $138,500.

      My mortgage, not factoring in taxes, is $750/month for a 20 year.

      Like years ago, when my Janus Overseas returned 60% and I said, "Gee guys, I am not sure how much higher this can go". . .well, gee guys, I am not sure how much lower we can go here and I really think it's too close to time it at this point.

      If you have cash, get in now and stop obsessing about the bottom.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Scanner View Post
        If you have cash, get in now and stop obsessing about the bottom.
        Working on it.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Scanner View Post
          I personally bought a 4BDR. house on a small 80 x 100 lot in Suburban NJ (a decent amount of economy here compared to Podunk, Mississippi or Racoon Butt, KY) for $138,500.

          My mortgage, not factoring in taxes, is $750/month for a 20 year.

          Like years ago, when my Janus Overseas returned 60% and I said, "Gee guys, I am not sure how much higher this can go". . .well, gee guys, I am not sure how much lower we can go here and I really think it's too close to time it at this point.

          If you have cash, get in now and stop obsessing about the bottom.
          I predict you will be underwater by 2025. Not owing more on your mortgage than the value of your house, literally underwater from the effects of global warming. I'm pricing what will soon be beach front property in Ohio, hoping to get a good deal. I prefer to find the market bottom, not the ocean bottom.

          Joking aside, being an ex jersey resident, I'm sure comparing your monthly mortgage payment to rent for a comparable house in NJ is enough to show you made a good purchase decision.

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