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  • #16
    In a different thread, Tusker mentioned that his kid is going to Oklahoma State. I took the liberty of finding out what their laptop requirements are, assuming of course that he's headed towards a degree that would require him to use their relevant software such as AutoCAD and SolidWorks. If so, it would be best to get a Windows 10 laptop with specs that are listed in the Recommended section. Well, an i7 CPU is relatively pricey and is arguably overkill, but the rest of the specs are not demanding, so finding an affordable option should be quite doable.

    So, if you want to play it safe, that's what I would get.

    While I'm here though, and if you will humor me for geeking out a bit, Chromebooks are way too under-rated in my opinion. Indeed, the first person who originally suggested a Chromebook to me was a senior admin of a company that I had hoped to get hired on. That company handed out Chromebooks for their IT dept to use. They not only used Chromebooks to remote in, but it also provided a relatively safe device for him to use during a business trip to DefCon. He also went to Black Hat with it, though there, he said he mostly kept things turned off or in airplane mode. The point is, Chromebook's design philosophy and its ensuing reputation has resulted in its rising popularity amongst the InfoSec crowd.

    Since then, I've also bought pretty much nothing but Chromebooks myself, partly because it's so affordable, partly because it's so very easy to work with, and if you know what you're doing, it's still very capable of getting some serious work done.

    Again, I've also set up Chromebooks for my parents-- who are not really techno-savvy and don't care to be-- and they seem to have taken to it just fine. So long as your needs are within the performance capabilities of a Chrome browser, you will be fine.

    And yes, accidents will happen, such as spills. Many, many years ago, I broke my rather expensive G4 Macbook by accidentally spilling a can of Mountain Dew on it. (Yes, once upon a time, I actually bought Apple because they had the best hardware for what I needed at the time). I didn't replace it because it was just too expensive to do so. These days, you can find Chromebooks that are virtually spill-proof and crush-proof. And even if you manage to break one somehow, well, they only cost roughly $230, and all your data can be auto-magically restored from the included cloud backup to your new machine. Trust me, that's a big deal if your kid is in the middle of an important project, and his laptop somehow broke while he was working on it. (Of course, you can use cloud back-up on any platform. I just wanted to make the point that Chromebooks can be made to be extremely durable, include free cloud back-up as well, and do it all while being super affordable.)

    In summary, no, I don't think Macs are bad, but they are definitely pricey. I think Windows makes more sense, especially if his University is recommending them for some of their course. However, I feel that Chromebooks deserve more attention than they generally get. They can be simple, reliable, durable, affordable, and even powerful. As fellow Savers, are we not always looking for a good deal on a quality product? Chromebooks isn't for everyone, but if your needs are within what it can do for you, then I say give them a good look.
    Last edited by Tabs; 05-25-2018, 08:34 AM.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Tabs View Post
      In a different thread, Tusker mentioned that his kid is going to Oklahoma State. I took the liberty of finding out what their laptop requirements are, assuming of course that he's headed towards a degree that would require him to use their relevant software such as AutoCAD and SolidWorks.
      Wow I didn't even know schools gave this sort of info. Great find! thank you!

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      • #18
        I keep seeing the reference to Macs being safer against viruses. The truth is that Mac's are increasingly becoming more vulnerable to viruses. Due to the design, it is harder to hack, so it has been a safer place to be for the most part. However, I have had to run anti-virus software on a mac within the last year. I don't work on many, so the ratio is going to be way off compared to windows. But it is happening.

        I think the biggest reason Mac's didn't have as much trouble is because until more recent times fewer people used them. Now that more are using them, it's drawing more attention by hackers.

        Just be aware, times are changing.
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        • #19
          I bought my first mac in 2013 and paid the premium because everyone said they were great. 1 year later the graphics card blew and because of the way macs are build you couldn't just switch it out, you had to change the entire motherboard which would cost 1,000 dollars. I could buy a brand new Mac for a bit more so I did that instead. I had to buy a new mac because I had everything backed up in the time machine and needed a mac to open it onto.

          It seemed this was a HUGE issue and a lot of people complained to Mac for about 2 years before they finally did a recall of all the MacBook Pros from 2010-2013 or something.

          The problem? They would have reimbursed me if I had repaired the mac, but not because I bought a new one. So, I had the old one repaired, but mostly used the new one. 10 months later the new one malfunctioned so I took out the repaired old one. I used it for 2 months before that video graphics card died as well. The new graphics card was guaranteed 6 months, but I waited too long to use it so i couldn't get a new one.

          The only silver lining in the whole thing was that I called Apple to complain about the whole thing and after 5 phone calls they agreed to fix my newer computer at no charge.

          During all of these calls I was told that they expected MacBooks to live on average 3-5 years.

          None of the ones I have had have lasted more than 18 months. I will not buy another Apple when the newer one dies because it is not worth the premium.

          So yes in the end both computers were repaired for free. But they also cost between 1200 and 1600 dollars and died after less than 2 years.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by GoodSteward View Post
            I keep seeing the reference to Macs being safer against viruses. The truth is that Mac's are increasingly becoming more vulnerable to viruses. Due to the design, it is harder to hack, so it has been a safer place to be for the most part. However, I have had to run anti-virus software on a mac within the last year. I don't work on many, so the ratio is going to be way off compared to windows. But it is happening.

            I think the biggest reason Mac's didn't have as much trouble is because until more recent times fewer people used them. Now that more are using them, it's drawing more attention by hackers.

            Just be aware, times are changing.
            This is completely true. Macs are not necessarily safer, but due to the fact that it has a much smaller marketshare, they've been generally ignored.

            As for its hackability, being a fork of BSD, the core is actually quite robust at least. I'm not saying it's bulletproof, though technically nothing really is. However, I think a better vector to look into would be its Aqua GUI. The late Steve Jobs had traditionally been more focused on aesthetics than security or even practicality sometimes. I am not sure of the state of iOS though, but I suspect this is where the latest in exploits are being focused on, and of course, getting access to cloud servers (such as that infamous celebrity iCloud hack, but to be fair, that one was more of a wetware vulnerability than anything else).

            In terms of sheer security though, I would once again argue ChromeOS is probably the best out of them all. It probably has the smallest marketshare, so there is that. The default setup is very robust. Even dev mode is disabled now. Most people don't even use local storage on these things. Actually, that's a big deal. Most hackers wouldn't even bother going after your Chromebook just because they know there is nothing there. (In fact, I recall a DefCon vid of some hackers saying exactly that.) Even if they wanted to, I think the only viable vector is through extensions. But even then, if one is careful and use it very sparingly, and from a trusted source, I think that threat is significantly reduced. The same goes for reducing exposure to javascript/XSS. Just doing those two things, and you're probably nearly bulletproof. Even if someone gets through all that, the system files are read-only, and userland is encrypted by default. So, yeah, good luck cracking that egg.

            Now, I'm not saying hacking a Chromebook is impossible. It is indeed quite possible, and attempts have been made in the wild. However, compared to Macs and PCs, the attack surface is just so ridiculously small by comparison. This is about as safe as it gets without doing something truly crazy like... rolling your own ram-only distro on a LiveCD or some such. Oh, and you have to use hardware that isn't vulnerable to Spectre and Meltdown. Hmm, actually that might be a fun Raspberry Pi project for the future.... Anyway, I'm rambling, but yeah I like Chrome OS, and yes, it's very safe.
            Last edited by Tabs; 05-25-2018, 10:39 AM.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by Mjenn View Post
              During all of these calls I was told that they expected MacBooks to live on average 3-5 years.
              That's pretty standard for any computer. My daughter has had hers for 4 and is starting to think about replacing it not because there's anything wrong with it but because her needs have changed. We'll keep that one as an extra for sure as it still has plenty of life left in it for at least 2 or 3 more years.

              I had an old Apple laptop (Powerbook I think) that I had for 5-ish years. The only reason I replaced that was because technology changed so much during that time that it could no longer do what I needed it to, but it still worked just fine.

              The fact that we've had our desktop for 8 years is actually quite unusual but so much of our computer time now happens on our phones that we've managed to deal with the outdated desktop longer than we would have in the past.
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              • #22
                DD is getting a MacBook Air for high school graduation, to be used in college. She is a nursing major, so there will be no CPU-intensive work like there might be for engineering or computer science. We have spoken with others, and this was said to be a good fit for her usage.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by GoodSteward View Post
                  I keep seeing the reference to Macs being safer against viruses. The truth is that Mac's are increasingly becoming more vulnerable to viruses. Due to the design, it is harder to hack, so it has been a safer place to be for the most part. However, I have had to run anti-virus software on a mac within the last year. I don't work on many, so the ratio is going to be way off compared to windows. But it is happening.

                  I think the biggest reason Mac's didn't have as much trouble is because until more recent times fewer people used them. Now that more are using them, it's drawing more attention by hackers.

                  Just be aware, times are changing.
                  I was going to mention something along the same lines.... Apple is no longer the bulletproof option it once was. Formerly, Apple machines were restricted to niches within society, and windows machines were just far more numerous. This is evening out somewhat, and certain viruses/trojans/etc. are beginning to specifically target Apple machines. They are still safer overall than a windows machine, but if you aren't running an antivirus software regularly on your Apple, you're playing with fire. I personally have had to clear one off from my MacBook (about 2 years ago). Apples aren't invulnerable... just lower risk.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by disneysteve View Post
                    That's pretty standard for any computer. My daughter has had hers for 4 and is starting to think about replacing it not because there's anything wrong with it but because her needs have changed. We'll keep that one as an extra for sure as it still has plenty of life left in it for at least 2 or 3 more years.

                    I had an old Apple laptop (Powerbook I think) that I had for 5-ish years. The only reason I replaced that was because technology changed so much during that time that it could no longer do what I needed it to, but it still worked just fine.

                    The fact that we've had our desktop for 8 years is actually quite unusual but so much of our computer time now happens on our phones that we've managed to deal with the outdated desktop longer than we would have in the past.
                    That is a good expectancy. But as none of the MacBooks I have owned have come close to that, I'm not paying 800 dollars extra for the privilege again.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by TexasHusker View Post
                      Wow I didn't even know schools gave this sort of info. Great find! thank you!
                      TexasHusker, as an out of state parent you might like using Facebook to connect with other parents of OSU students for university specific questions. This appears to be the parents page.
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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by creditcardfree View Post
                        TexasHusker, as an out of state parent you might like using Facebook to connect with other parents of OSU students for university specific questions. This appears to be the parents page.
                        Funny you mention that. I have a fake book account but I've only posted on it like once a year. I think I'm going to delete it. It seems to me to be the drug of choice for those with an insatiable appetite for attention and adoration.

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                        • #27
                          Whatever you buy, check for a college student discount. Apple has them as do other companies.

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                          • #28
                            I'm with Tabs on the adoration for a chromebook. My oldest DD22 has used one all thru college and she's an engineering major.

                            We all have one in our family. For some reason I'm the only person on the planet that doesn't have tech savvy kids. Chromebooks are great for no maintenance.

                            Middle DD refused to use a chromebook for college and got herself a Dell. Well if you don't download the updates and run the virus protection things happen. She got a virus. It's been so long since I've used a pc that I didn't bother trying to fix it. She has a Chromebook now. She says she's going to buy another laptop, we'll see. With her I think it's just a status thing. But the Chromebook fits her needs fine.

                            I found where they can use an app for Microsoft Word, that was their big complaint. But with that app that took care of that problem.

                            I got tired of having to buy new laptops every 2 years. We're going on 4 years with our chromebooks and no problems.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by Thrif-t View Post
                              I'm the only person on the planet that doesn't have tech savvy kids. Chromebooks are great for no maintenance.
                              This is exactly why we finally got my mom a MacBook. She had a couple of PC laptops before that and no matter how often I worked on them, she just as quickly got them screwed up beyond belief. Once I had to have a tech friend wipe it clean and reinstall everything because I couldn't get it fixed myself.

                              She's had the MacBook for about 2 months now and hasn't had a single issue with it. We should have gotten her one a long time ago. And we got it used for $475 which was as cheap as any half-decent PC would have been.
                              Steve

                              * Despite the high cost of living, it remains very popular.
                              * Why should I pay for my daughter's education when she already knows everything?
                              * There are no shortcuts to anywhere worth going.

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by disneysteve View Post
                                She's had the MacBook for about 2 months now and hasn't had a single issue with it. We should have gotten her one a long time ago. And we got it used for $475 which was as cheap as any half-decent PC would have been.
                                Well I got my Chromebook for $200 new

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